The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. After nearly two weeks, a relist, sock blocks, and protection, a consensus to delete has emerged, so I think this is ripe for closure. Broadly, participants are not convinced that the subject meets our inclusion criteria, but there is also a minority of opinions that boil down to WP:TNT. By comparison, most of the non-sock keep votes are relatively weak. Few go beyond simply asserting the subject meets the GNG, and for the couple that actually analyze the Farsi sources, participants generally did not find them convincing as shown by some editors changing from keep to delete. Thanks to everyone who participated through comments and cleanup. — Wug·a·po·des​ 23:30, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Iman Farzin[edit]

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Not notable. It's a paid article and we deleted it several times in fawiki.   ARASH PT  talk  22:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.   ARASH PT  talk  22:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, we blocked the article author and his sockpuppets on fawiki.   ARASH PT  talk  22:09, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 22:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 22:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 22:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: Three votes from IPs and a sockpuppet in one day! You can find anything about anyone in Iranian news agencies. Let's check the sources:
  • 3 sources (inn, tabnak, yjc) about an instagram post.
  • 11 sources about his employment in the media department of the Iranian basketball federation!
  • 4 sources just for his previous job as a freelance photographer!
This guy is just paying to have some pages in the Iranian websites and Wikipedia. Govvy said that he is suppressed by the Iranian government that is not true. Actually, he is supported by the Iranian government and all the media coverage is from governmental and extremist news websites.   ARASH PT  talk  15:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @Arash.pt: Just a reminder that accusations of sockpuppetry are considered WP:ASPERSIONS unless backed by diffs: An editor must not accuse another of misbehavior without evidence, especially when the accusations are... severe; you should withdraw those comments.
I have removed your other comment as a blatant BLP violations (per WP:BLPTALK: Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced and not related to making content choices should be removed, deleted, or oversighted, as appropriate).
I suggest you leave an analysis of the sources to others, as you seem rather invested in this article and its fa-wp background.
@Bishonen: May advise further. 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:3920:992F:79F9:176 (talk) 16:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC) — 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:3920:992F:79F9:176 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

@Giant Dear Editor, I'll try to explain you about the sources, hope I can make it clear for you: Here Varzesh3 and Mehrnews and Farsnews and here and Here the subject of news is about him, that is about his assignment by FIBA and his participation at the Basketball World Cup. Also his interview about the corruption of Iran Football Federation here here and his revelations about Carlos Queiroz can be found here Tabnak, here at Iran Daily. Plus his assignment for the Rio 2016 Olympic (as the mainj subject of the news) here HERE. Other reliable references are about his job information, and some news. Let me know if anything is still unclear for you. Thanks --Sajjadimanian (talk) 15:00, 30 October 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

what kind of weak argument is this ? there is no significant source in english and there is signifanct source in farsi, we happen to be expert in the Farsi, we can read it and we all are long term users very much familiar with notablity and other guid lines? still you what happens in fa should in spill over, enwiki doesn't belong to anyone, it so for all of us, it is not like we are outsiders coming to enwiki Mardetanha (talk) 12:37, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Mardetanha You are not the only one who can read Farsi (Persian). Don't try to cheat english editors with your false information. If there is a strong mafia of editors in fa-wiki, don't bring it here. Keep your opinion for your self and don't expand it please. WP:GNG is very clear in english, and in Persian too, there is no need to explain it to others! --Sajjadimanian (talk) 13:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
intersting now we need insults coming from sockpupets whom were blocked from fawiki, spreading their paid agenda to enwiki, Mardetanha (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm resisting the temptation to reach for the popcorn, but I suppose the best thing to do is keep this discussion on topic? Just a suggestion... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexandermcnabb: Have to agree with you there, perhaps certain participants in this discussion need to read WP:ETIQ. --John B123 (talk) 16:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
from what I can see from the sources he made some unsubstantiated accusation on his instagram that Iranian nation team coach is receiving bribe, this accusation didn't receive any attention, I dug it up, nothing found, none of the sources in the article are talking about him and discussing his importance or his role as photographer. Mardetanha (talk) 07:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is a straightforward untruth that “none of the sources in the article are talking about him”. They are, as anybody with moderately good eyesight can see for themselves. I agree that there is nothing to suggest that he is notable as a photographer. There may well be no substance to his allegations and the whole thing may have blown over very quickly, which would strengthen the case for considering this to fail BLP1E. Mccapra (talk) 11:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are using machine translation and that is why what I understand is different from what you see is different, I didn't know this person before this AFD, couple of users in fawiki were offered some money to create article for him, we had a through discussion about this and result was he is not notable, now they have brought the team to enwiki, if he was notable I would be more than happy to have another more article about iranian person on enwiki but he is not, I read all sources, did more research on Farsi, Nothing, yes he was working for AFC and he was photographer, so what ? does anyone who travels to sport event is notable ? he throw some accusation to national coach team which didn't receive any media attention, anyhow I have said enough on this AFD Mardetanha (talk) 18:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I added Refs 3,26,27,28 and 29 that shows his notability as an accredited sports photographer. --Sajjadimanian (talk) 14:25, 3 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If someone doesn't know this person, it doesn't mean that he is not notable! Notability is regarded to WP:GNG and other guidelines, not on your personal knowledge. Also his accusation to Carolos Queiroz has a significant media coverage (refs. 22,23,24,25,26,27). Seems user Mardetanha is trying to abuse non-farsi speaking editors by providing wrong information to them. --Thedunker66 (talk) 14:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexandermcnabb: On the contrary, my edits here are an exception rather than the rule; my attendance was bought about by the highlighting of this case at AN/I. That in itself wouldn't have been sufficient for me to post—I don't think IP editing is usually particularly necessary and/or beneficial to AfD—but the outrageously poor—phenomenally outrageously poor, in fact—nomination statement (comprising as it did a litany of non-arguments, complaint and general assumptions) certainly needed addressing, particularly on account that it was made by a relatively inexperienced editor on this wiki (albeit one who is an admin on fa-wp, where one has to assume standards are rather different). HTH. 2A02:C7F:BE04:700:ED40:DFAB:9D73:1D7 (talk) 10:38, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexandermcnabb: on your question about state media and other media closely state-aligned in Iran: there certainly are topics where we would need to be very careful about relying on them, but not in this article. Setting aside the question of photography, this article has two essential parts. Firstly, the subject held a number of official sports positions. The fact that he held them is supported by ‘official’ sources. The fact that he held these positions is not in doubt or question, but they certainly don’t make him notable and if that’s all there was in this article I’d vote delete. The second part is his public claim of corruption in official Iranian sports, which gained some attention in ‘non-official’ media. So for me the issues with this article aren’t about the sources, they’re about 1. Whether the coverage of the claims, taken together with the other parts of the article, make him notable (I think they do) and 2. Whether the article is the product of paid editing. I’ve no idea; the fa.wiki editors seem convinced there is, but no evidence has been produced to support this claim. To me, given that the article subject is a press officer, he’d need to be pretty rubbish at his job if he needed to pay someone to create this. A question that hasn’t been raised in this discussion so far is who would benefit from the deletion of an article that contained allegations of corruption in Iranian football. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Sajjadimanian Your bio says you are the "Director of AFC Social media (Persian)". AFC being the Asian Football Confederation. Sorry, your candour is commendable, but you should be nowhere near this topic (and particularly not articles you have edited such as 2019 AFC Asian Cup - even more so as a new account created in October and active principally since this article was flagged as not notable - a number of your edits here are clearly COI and everything you have said in this discussion and every edit to this article you have made should be, to my understanding of COI editing, struck. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:48, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
John, would you please check this page, these are CU blocks, I am really hopeful enwiki CU would also take a look at this IPs and accounts coming to this thread. Mardetanha (talk) 20:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've made a request for this to be looked into, however, I still think investigating after the accusations have been publicly made is not the way it should work. --John B123 (talk) 21:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I take your point, John B123 but this has come to enwiki after a long history at fawiki and looked from the very start like a mess. Getting to the bottom of that mess was beyond me and many others, given that it's a Farsi speaking mess of considerable duration and seeming complexity! The Google translate of the Check User Mardetanha shared is, by the way, a delight - some gems including, "Please get rid of my bald head. I do not like to see notifications related to you on my email. Wikifa is full of sick edemas who want to make up for their personal shortcomings here." and "It is far from justice and politeness to see everyone with one eye and call them sick." In between enwiki editors trying to make sense of this, you have some irate fawiki users, some seeming SPA IPs, certainly a COI editor and a lot of fur flying. I admit, it's beyond me to work out what's going on - other than that something is most certainly going on. If it took some wild accusations to have someone more experienced with the right tools to look into it and unravel it, I'd tend towards the view that the end eclipsed the means. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dear en-wiki editors, please be informed that users blocking is the way for some fa-wiki admins to stop people whom are against them. They accuse you by unsubstantiated claims of sockpuppetry and paid editing, because they don't have any other way to stop you. To be clear, If you behave against them, they will block your account and they don't let you contribute anymore. This is how they control fa-wiki. User Mardetanha is an admin in fa-wiki, but unfortunately he lies here, he said they deleted this article after a discussion, but as you can check, the article in fa-wiki was speedy deleted, and anyone who contributed in has been blocked. Fortunately I live in USA and I'm not afraid of them, the mafia of fa-wiki don't have any access to me, but they blocked my account there in fa-wiki for ever without any evidence. I hope one day some one from Wiki foundation investigate fa-wiki and that day, everyone will understand about the dark reality of administration in fa-wki. With respect to all true editors of farsi wikipedia.--Thedunker66 (talk) 11:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yet another CU blocked account Mardetanha (talk) 12:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
losers usually trying to use dirtiest ways to pull down their enemies! here is not fa-wiki and you are not an administrator. you think anyone who is not agree with you is sockpuppetry or paid editor. you accuse anyone with unsubstantiated claims and you don't have any evidence. Sadly You are a liar and I'm sorry for fa-wiki because you are an administrator there ! by the way, WP:GNG is very clear, maybe you don't like to see! --Sajjadimanian (talk) 12:58, 4 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So that just leaves me then..... Mccapra (talk) 05:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Softlavender, unsubstantiated claims are something usual in fa-wiki. there is no evidence, before investigations done, it is not fair to accuse someone. fa-wiki is another project and they (fa-wiki mafia) don't let independent editors to contribute there. If one editor (who lied here and everyone can see) has problem with the subject of article or anyone else, it's his problem, not the article! After all, WP:GNG is very very clear and I honestly believe this article certainly pass notability guidelines. --Sajjadimanian (talk) 10:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sajjadimanian, since you are one of the users blocked for sockpuppetry on FA-wiki, your opinion does not carry much weight here. And you have a COI with this subject, since you are the "Director of the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) social media (Persian)" [3]. Your accusations of other editors only exacerbate your own problems. Softlavender (talk) 10:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First, they blocked my account in fa-wiki without any evidence, even without any investigations! Then, here is based on Notability Guidelines, not fa-wiki. An admin of fa-wiki who voted "delete" is a liar, he lies here in front of all involved editors ( we deleted it several times in fawiki and we had a through discussion about this, yet looking at the page,[4] the deletions were M7 (equivalent to en-WP:A7) i.e An article about a real person who does not show the importance of the subject This shows that fa-wiki admin Mardetanha is lying. I have nothing to say more, everything is clear and fortunately here is a different project than fa-wiki. --Sajjadimanian (talk) 12:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC) Sock Lev!vich 23:59, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting in hopes that more editors with an established enwiki editing history will weigh in. There has been some productive discussion about whether available sources satisfy GNG or not and further discussion of that type might help this to reach consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:43, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:Thedunker66 canvassing, User:Roger editor blocked and a number of concerns about other contributors to this AfD expressed above by Softlavender and now we are 'suffering from language-related Systemic bias' at enwiki? There's not one single English language source for this person and no consensus, it would appear, as to the reliability/relevance of any Farsi source. Why should this person be notable at enwiki? Why? He was apparently not even notable at fawiki... And his supporters here are a voluble, but deeply dodgy, lot. IMHO. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:41, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your ad hominem argument about the voters, even if true, does not change the notability of the subject. I stand by my !vote. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:13, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
how is it ad hominem when both are literally blocked for it?!!? Praxidicae (talk) 02:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
7&6=thirteen To be honest, I liked your concern about language-related Systemic bias at Wikipedia, I do share this concert with you but the solution is not to create an article for those who are not notable but help those deserve, I did a lot of searching before coming to AFD, long before this article created, we have been dealing with these people. we should stand united in front of those who wanted to use Wikipedia to promote themselves. Mardetanha (talk) 13:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:Consensus. This article is a Dead letter. Opposing this is pointless. Like seeking recounts and filing lawsuits in the 2020 United States presidential election. It can be done; it will not change the outcome. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Followup: This AFD gets more and more unbelievable by the day. That external forum I told you about? He just tried to sockpuppet into the forum under a different name! That attempt failed btw. Did I mention DELETE with prejudice, or should I be requesting a SPD due to all the abuse and end this misery immediately? Timmccloud (talk) 19:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I have some sympathy with this POV. Article's not notable anyway and the whole thing's been a disruptive time suck for very little discernable return. Nobody on enwiki cares who he is - apparently nobody of integrity on fawiki does, either. Supporters so far have been bulked up by socks, canvassers and cutpurses/the great blocked in general. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:14, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree this has taken far more of everybody's time than the end result justifies and agree with the comments about the socks. However, I don't think that the "delete" side coming over from fa-wiki have covered themselves in glory either. --John B123 (talk) 16:12, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely. I didn't mean to beatify through omission. Still believe delete is the way forward, but that very pattern of behaviour you refer to John B123 gives me pause to worry about that course. Actually, I pity the closer... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 03:27, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alexandermcnabb, have to take my hat off to whoever is brave enough to trawl through all this and close it! --John B123 (talk) 08:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I saw this whole issue with this AfD a mile off and I posted about it to WP:AN a while back, it's odd all these delete votes, I don't think that the sources have truly gone through a review, people seem to be avoiding that because of the language barrier. However 37 sources in Farsi, is still 37 sources regardless of the language, the article is heavily over-sourced and that doesn't help. English sources seem to be flat. Yet I still don't see any evidence of paid editing here. All I see is shenanigans from both sides, one starting with the rather oddity of deleting what looks like a possibly valid article for the Farsi language wikipedia, the next coming over to the en.wiki and starting again. Govvy (talk) 11:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There are a total of maybe 10 sources if we pair down the ones that are blatantly copied from the others and even less (around 2) if we remove the press releases. Most of the sources are literal gossip blurbs that were never substantiated about accusations against Carlos Queiroz, which is ironic considering our own article makes no mentions of those unsubstantiated claims. The accusations of language bias here are laughable, considering we have several native Farsi speakers and it appears that those casting aspersions aren't assuming good faith. And to allay all the ridiculous bad faith claims that us "delete voters" didn't do an adequate before, see source assess below:
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://play.fiba3x3.com/players/d4adb813-e19d-4d49-aa6a-664dda0a18f7 No ~ for primary info possibly No just a listing ✘ No
https://www.mehrnews.com/news/4950552/%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%B3%D9%82%D9%88%D8%B7-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%87-%D9%BE%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%AA%D8%B1-%D8%AA%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%85%DB%8C%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%B4%D8%B1%DA%A9%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%87-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A2%DB%8C%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%87 No it's independent in the context that it's not written by him/his affiliates but is likely partially a press release Yes No it's a single mention of him by way of a quote ✘ No
https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/1393/12/10/670898/%D9%81%DB%8C%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AA-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%AA%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B3-%D8%AF%D8%A8%DB%8C/photo/9 No No No it's a single photo that was taken or provided by him ✘ No
https://www.isna.ir/news/8712-11573/%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%8A-4-%D8%B9%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%B3-%D8%A7%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3-%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%8A-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AA%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%82%D9%87-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3-%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A8%D9%87%D9%85%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%81%D9%8A No its basically a press release ~ for primary information, that he was a contestant in a contest No a single name drop with a list of other people who were failed contestants in a contest ✘ No
http://www.doorbin.net/news/?p=121 No No i don't know what doorbin.net is but it isn't reliable No a single passing mention ✘ No
https://www.farsnews.ir/news/8808220796%20%20%20%20/%D8%B7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%8A-%D8%AC%D8%B4%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%87-%DA%86%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%85-%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%86%D8%AF No press release No No just says he came in second or third place for a non-notable photography contest ✘ No
https://www.farsnews.ir/news/8708240524%20%20%20%20/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AA%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%86%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%82%D9%87-%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D9%86%D8%AA-%D9%85%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%86%D8%AF No more or less the same as the 5th source and others, it's a rehashed press release about coming in second place in a contest No No ✘ No
https://www.magiran.com/article/2356860 No No No as far as I can tell this doesn't mention the subject ✘ No
https://www.magiran.com/article/2357005 No No No in the context of this subject it meets none of IRS and is a single passing mention ✘ No
https://www.varzesh3.com/news/1610178/%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D9%81%DB%8C%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%87%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4-%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%85%E2%80%8C%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%B3%DA%A9%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84 No No No this is a quote of a quote by him ✘ No
https://www.mehrnews.com/news/4611634/%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D9%81%DB%8C%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%87%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4-%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%B3%DA%A9%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84 No same as 10, almost word for word No No ✘ No
https://www.farsnews.ir/news/13960823001977/%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D9%BE%D8%AE%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D9%84%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B2%DB%8C%D9%88%D9%86%DB%8C-%D9%81%DB%8C%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%B4%D8%AF No press release about election as ED No No ✘ No
https://www.mehrnews.com/news/4146167/%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D9%BE%D8%AE%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D9%84%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B2%DB%8C%D9%88%D9%86%DB%8C-FIBA-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%B4%D8%AF No same as #12 No No ✘ No
https://www.farsnews.ir/news/13970621001307/%D8%AC%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%87-%D9%81%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%85%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%B3%DA%A9%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%88-%D9%81%DB%8C%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%BE%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%B1%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%B4%D8%AF No all it says is that he was present at a game, this is basically a press release No No ✘ No
http://www.mardom-news.com/news/104333/%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D9%81%DB%8C%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D9%87%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4-%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AC%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%B3%DA%A9%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84 No same as #10, 11 No No ✘ No
http://www.fiba.basketball/news/U-S-basketball-players-become-stars-in-Iran-s-professional-league No No No press release, single quote ✘ No
https://www.farsnews.ir/news/13900615001054/%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%A1-%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%A7%D9%87%D9%85-%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9%86-%DA%A9%D9%86%D9%81%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%88%D9%86-%D9%81%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A2%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%A7-%D9%88-%D8%B5%D8%AF%D8%A7-%D9%88-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%85%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B7%D8%B1%D9%81-%D8%B4%D8%AF No No No a single quote from an interview, says nothing about Farzin ✘ No
https://90tv.ir/news/%D8%A2%D8%AE%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AA-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%A6%D9%88%D9%84-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D9%BE%D8%AE%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D9%84%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B2%DB%8C%D9%88%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D9%81-%D8%B3%DB%8C ? ? ? 404, no idea ? Unknown
https://www.mehrnews.com/news/4893232/%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%87%D9%85-%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%86-%D9%81%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%88%D9%86-%D9%81%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%B3%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B2%DB%8C-%D8%B9%D8%AC%DB%8C%D8%A8-%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B3%D8%AA No all quotes from an interview No No ✘ No
https://footballi.net/news/r/261865/%D8%A2%D8%AE%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%B8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AA-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%A6%D9%88%D9%84-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D9%BE%D8%AE%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D9%84%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B2%DB%8C%D9%88%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D9%81-%D8%B3%DB%8C No No No just basic quotes ✘ No
https://footballi.net/news/r/534495/%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B8%D8%B1-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%82-%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%A7%D9%81-%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%AA%D9%87%D9%85-%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%86-%D9%81%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%88%D9%86-%D9%81%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%B3%D9%86%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B2%DB%8C-%D8%B9%D8%AC%DB%8C%D8%A8-%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B3%D8%AA No see above No No ✘ No
https://www.tabnak.ir/fa/news/1011186/%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%A8%D8%B2%D8%B1%DA%AF-%D8%A8%D9%87-%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B4-%D8%AF%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%AA-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B2%DB%8C%DA%A9%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%85%E2%80%8C%D9%85%D9%84%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%BE%D9%88%D9%84 No just a quote from his instagram No No ✘ No
https://www.inn.ir/news/2289/%d8%aa%d9%87%d9%85%d8%aa-%d8%a8%d8%b2%d8%b1%da%af-%d8%a8%d9%87-%d8%b3%d8%b1%d9%85%d8%b1%d8%a8%db%8c-%d8%a7%d8%b3%d8%a8%d9%82-%d8%aa%db%8c%d9%85-%d9%85%d9%84%db%8c No it's just a quote from his instagram ~ No ✘ No
https://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/7537748/%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%B3%D9%86%DA%AF%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%B9%D8%B6%D9%88-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%82-afc-%D8%A8%D9%87-%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3-%DA%A9%DB%8C-%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B4-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3 No same as all the last 10 or so sources, it's just a quote of his instagram page ~ No this is the equivalent of gossip - one guy alleges something on Instagram, nothing comes of it ✘ No
http://www.etemadnewspaper.ir/fa/Main/Page/1687/8/%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%B2%D8%B4 No No No this is the exaact same as the one below this. ✘ No
http://www.etemadnewspaper.ir/fa/main/detail/157701/%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AE%D9%8A-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%86%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D9%BE%D8%B1%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%AA-%D9%BE%D9%88%D9%84-%D9%85%D9%84%D9%8A%E2%80%8C%D9%BE%D9%88%D8%B4-%D9%85%D9%8A%E2%80%8C%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%86%D8%AF No like the last few sources, it's just the same gossip from an Ig post No No ✘ No
https://www.magiran.com/article/4110484 No No No almost word for word the same as the last dozen or so sources ✘ No
http://www.armanmeli.ir/fa/news/main/300089/%D8%BA%DB%8C%D9%80%D9%80%D9%80%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%80%D9%80%D9%80%D9%87 No more insta gossip No No ✘ No
https://theworldnews.net/ir-news/thm-bzrg-bh-khyrwsh-d-wt-bzykhn-bh-tymmly-bpwl No just the same as 22, copied and even says as much at hte bottom No No ✘ No
http://www.shafaf.ir/fa/news/513354/%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%A8%D8%B2%D8%B1%DA%AF-%D8%A8%D9%87-%DA%A9%DB%8C%E2%80%8C%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B4-%D8%AF%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%AA-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B2%DB%8C%DA%A9%D9%86-%D8%A8%D9%87-%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%85%E2%80%8C%D9%85%D9%84%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%BE%D9%88%D9%84 No No No word for word the same as several others ✘ No
https://www.tarafdari.com/node/1773368 No No No same as the rest ✘ No
https://www.farsnews.ir/news/13950521000774/%D9%81%D8%B1%D8%B2%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%AA%D9%86%D9%87%D8%A7-%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B8%D8%B1-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%BE%DB%8C%DA%A9-206 No same as the first few dozen sources about him travelling to Switzerland - it's a press release No No ✘ No
http://www.iscanews.ir/news/871192/%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%DB%8C-%D9%BE%D8%AE%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D9%84%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B2%DB%8C%D9%88%D9%86%DB%8C-%D9%81%DB%8C%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%AE%D8%A7%D8%A8-%D8%B4%D8%AF No press release, same as one of the first sources No No ✘ No
https://www.akkasee.com/news/1387/9016/%d8%aa%d9%82%d8%af%db%8c%d8%b1-%d8%a7%d8%b2-%d8%a8%d8%b1%d8%aa%d8%b1%db%8c%d9%86%e2%80%8c%d9%87%d8%a7%db%8c-%d8%b9%da%a9%d8%a7%d8%b3%db%8c-%d8%af%d8%b1-%d9%85%d8%b1%d8%a7%d8%b3%d9%85-%d8%af%d9%88%d8%b1%d8%a8%db%8c%d9%86-%d9%86%d8%aa/ No No No press release, same as #6 ✘ No
https://chiilick.com/%d8%aa%d9%82%d8%af%db%8c%d8%b1-%d8%a7%d8%b2-%d8%a8%d8%b1%d8%aa%d8%b1%db%8c%d9%86%e2%80%8c%d9%87%d8%a7%db%8c-%d8%b9%da%a9%d8%a7%d8%b3%db%8c-%d8%af%d8%b1-%d9%85%d8%b1%d8%a7%d8%b3%d9%85-%d8%af%d9%88/ No same as 6 and 34 No No ✘ No
https://www.magiran.com/article/1744447 No same as 6, 34 and 35 No No ✘ No
https://www.isna.ir/news/8708-14560.80563/%D9%85%D9%87%D8%AF%D9%8A-%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A-%D8%B9%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%B3-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AA%D8%B1-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%84-%D9%88-%D8%A2%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%88%D8%B4%D9%8A-%D8%A8%D8%B1%DA%AF%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%87-%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%85-%D8%AC%D8%B4%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%87-%D9%8A No same as 6, 34 and 36 No No ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using ((source assess table)).

Praxidicae (talk) 13:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I thought I saw a weak keep last time, but I found it a bit hard to analyse the sources correctly. Then it felt like all hell went loose on here! Cheers. Govvy (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I also checked what Praxidicae posted here as a native speaker and I can confirm it is correct and the assessment was fair Mardetanha (talk) 13:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have spent a lot of time this morning cleaning up this article, I've removed the accusations about Queiroz and the federation as they are unsubstantiated and only based on press releases, I've also removed nearly 20 sources because they were identical to the others. There's still more to go but my eyes are tired. Praxidicae (talk) 15:17, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is one hell of a lot of work to take us to what is increasingly looking like a dead cert "Delete"... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:32, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is, it was a colossal time sink but it appears its needed given the ridiculous accusations here and the fact that many keep voters did not look at the actual quality of sources instead of quantity. The remaining items are still all based on press releases and passing mentions. None of which qualify for an article. Praxidicae (talk) 15:43, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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