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The result was delete. The consensus is the as this article is a BLP with no references and no indication that it meets the notability mentioned in the essay at WP:MANOTE -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 12:08, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hideki Shiohira (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • AfD statistics)

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Notability. I originally CSD-A7ed this, but was persuaded on my talk page to give it a try at AFD. Ultimately, IMHO, I just do not see the notability of this individual. A number of links were given on my talk page at User talk:TexasAndroid#Hideki Shiohira article - please restore, but IMHO none of them meet the requirements for notability references. Reliable, Independent, non-trivial references.

The person debating with me is of the opinion that the subject's notability is demonstrated by their ranking in their martial art. But that's simply not a valid notability criteria as far as I am aware. Even on WP:MANOTE, an essay about martial arts notability, ranking in skill is not listed as a potential notability criteria for martial artists.

As a side note, I view this AFD as something of a test case. Depending on the outcome of it, I may submit to AFD more MA bio articles were the onlt apparent notability is the subject's skill level and/or ranking. TexasAndroid (talk) 23:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This is an unreferenced BLP and there is no indication that he meets any of the notability criteria at WP:MANOTE. His instuctors may be notable, but notability is not inherited. I found no independent sources that show notability. Papaursa (talk) 17:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:BIO by having no sources that can confirm its notability. --Slon02 (talk) 19:50, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Unsourced BLP and fails WP:MANOTE. Astudent0 (talk) 12:41, 2 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Sports WP:Notability has a special case for WP:ATHLETE#Sumo wrestlers: "Sumo wrestlers are presumed notable if they have been ranked in either the top makuuchi division or second highest juryo division." IMHO the same argument can be expanded to cover all martial arts, including aikido. --Victorspm (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since he's not a sumo wrestler, I'd prefer to stick with the more generally accepted martial arts guidelines at WP:MANOTE. Papaursa (talk) 20:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• delete Article gives no evidence that he's notable.131.118.229.18 (talk) 14:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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