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The result was redirect to Helena, Texas. Liz Read! Talk! 05:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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This does not appear to be a notable form of duel, as there do not appear to be multiple independent reliable sources that cover this topic significantly. The sources in the article include:
- Four sentences in a 1940s Texas handbook (i.e. non-significant coverage);
- A work of fiction (i.e. non-RS);
- A blogspot post that doesn't mention "Helena Duel";
- Another blog post that doesn't mention "Helena Duel";
- A Michael Jackson music video.
I am likewise unable to find significant coverage outside of the sources mentioned in this article, so I propose that this be deleted as failing to meet the relevant notability criteria in line with WP:DEL-REASON#8. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 04:29, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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These are fair points! I wonder if this is better represented as folklore rather than fact. It seems notable enough that several books and movies reference this, including one explicitly set in the town in question (the article of which also mentions this type of duel). There is also a sv.wiki page that references a parallel duel and calls it out as folklore, and it seems notable because art has been made of it. I made some edits to the page to reflect this alternative approach. What do folks think? :) -- Mxbndr (talk) 06:30, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Duel or List of duels. While this topic hardly seems notable or significant enough to have a standalone article, it likely merits a brief mention on one or both of those pages. ostensibly singular userpage (inquire within) 13:48, 20 September 2022 (UTC) Redirect to Helena, Texas per valid points about notability as subject pertains to duels generally raised by Red-tailed hawk. However, I would change my vote back to merge, if any additional sources justifying it were to be found. ostensibly singular userpage (inquire within) 20:44, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The inclusion criteria for List of duels is
notable one-on-one duels or single combats in history and in legend or fiction
, which would disqualify a merger there if the Helena Duel is non-notable. And frankly a redirect to duel seems not appropriate given that the only time that this sort of thing is covered is in the context of Helena, Texas rather than in the context of books that write about duels; the way the 1940 Texas handbook reads, this form of duel seems apocryphal. A redirect to the town might be fine, but in general the content in the "in the media" section are WP:OR while the substance of the content in the lead is already in that article, so I don't really see a need to merge anything. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 14:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case, I'll be changing my vote to redirect. ostensibly singular userpage (inquire within) 20:41, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Helena, Texas. I did find a mention in a footnote in an old thesis [1] but... that's a far cry from WP:SIGCOV. At least the source I found confirms this is not a hoax, but there is no reason to have this stand-alone article. This kind of borderline trivia can be covered in the article about that town, as part of its history section. That will be enough. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:58, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect is the best way to solve lack of notability of the article's subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Assirian cat (talk • contribs) 09:45, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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