The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. IronGargoyle 17:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

George Huff[edit]

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Losing contestant on American Idol 3. The subject appears not to have had notable achievements since his appearance on the show. His records met with poor sales, and I feel he does not pass WP:MUSIC. Ohconfucius 08:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Article doesn't provide the multiple independently published non-trivial articles/interviews about the subject described in WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC. Dugwiki 17:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Revising my recommendation to Keep pending reference additions per the references identified by Zagalejo below. Dugwiki 16:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Article just needs to be improved a bit. Certainly it is not trivial. Ontheradio925 06:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not claiming it's not a well written article, per se. I'm saying it's providing no independent verification for notability. If the references are tightened up to meet WP:BIO then I'll reconsider my delete recommendation. Dugwiki 16:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, if you feel such references do exist, but are hard to find, a possible alternative is to move the article to user space until the references can be cited. Then reintroduce the newly cited article to the article space. Dugwiki 16:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 02:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Doesn't meet WP:BIO, couldn't find non-commercial sources. --Wafulz 03:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above.Nomen Nescio^{Gnothi seauton} 03:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep He's a finalist, so he would pass the criteria at the Idol Wikiproject. Using Factiva, I also found three newspaper articles within the last year of which Huff is unequivocally the primary subject:

• "Idol Active in Salinas: George Huff joins Christmas on Main Street". Monterey County Herald, 9 December 2006.
• "American Idol Finalist Huff to Perform at West Virginia University on Jan. 13". US Fed News, 10 October 2006.
• "Huff on Hope: Displaced by the Storm, George Huff is still going strong". New Orleans Times-Picayune, 9 June 2006.

Note that these are all from 2006. Huff appeared on AI in 2004, so I suspect there's a lot more out there. Zagalejo 20:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, internal criteria for Wikiprojects like WP:IDOL don't carry much weight in afd/cfd discussions. These issues need to be decided based mainly on policies and guidelines, so whether or not he would "pass the criteria at the Idol Wikiproject" isn't relevant. On the flip side, the references provided above sound like they're probably enough to satisfy WP:N, so I modified my recommendation above to "Keep pending references" assuming those sources are cited in the article and can be verified. Dugwiki 16:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was assuming the Wikiproject guidelines grew out of AFD discussions, but maybe not. The sources can be verified by anyone with access to Factiva. I'll incorporate them somewhere, just to show that sources exist, but I don't have the time or interest to add sources to the entire article, which I think is ultimately necessary. Does someone else want to step up? Zagalejo 18:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - he's a former star of one of the highest-rating shows on American television. He's more famous than half of the Nobel Prize winners we have here. Keep. - Richardcavell 01:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Keep, because 1) deletionism is ruining Wikipedia and 2) American Idol has such a large fan base, people are likely to be interested in all of the contestants. Let's not turn away readers of the site, just because select individuals don't care about some information. If anyone out there is interested and the article is factual, keep it. If you don't like it, read something else, but don't ruin things for the rest of us. BTW, WTF is with all these anti-AI deletion bandwagoning!? Is someone a rejected contestant and wants to supress information about other contestants or something?! Anywway, this guy has discopgrahy even, so . . . Best,--164.107.223.217 06:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Even though it makes me cringe, being an AI finalist in my opinion drags the subject past the inclusion threshold of WP:BIO. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 16:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Because I haven't read any good reasons not to as this is an incredibly highly rated show and anyone who makes it to the final group has widespread name recognition. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 02:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Yes, what is up with deleting american idol contestants? George Huff was 5th place- wouldn't people want to know about that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.21.245 (talk) 11:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.