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Comment. There are plenty of Google hits about him, including this [1]. He seems to be a promising player who has yet to make his debut. I really don't know if he's sufficiently notable for a Wiki bio yet though. But then I'm not an Australian. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 20:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I say that because he fails WP:BIO as far as additional criteria for athletes goes. He hasn't as yet competed in a fully professional league. Having not played a single game with the Roos he doesn't qualify yet. In commenting on that criteria for athletes however it seems to me that a lot of athletes are deemed to be notable by just having competed at first grade level! I personally feel that many athletes are going to wind up with a Wikipedia page after playing just a few first grade games then retiring with a busted knee! The notability criteria for athletes needs work. Sting_auTalk02:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as Sting_au says, he doesn't meet WP:BIO for professional athletes. The article does seem to meet the primary notability criterion either insofar as the subject does not seem to have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That said, previous consensus on drafted AFL players seems to run counter to WP:BIO see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaxson Barham for an earlier discussion. -- Mattinbgn\talk11:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting earlier discussion. Thanks for the link. Shows that even the anticipation of an athlete playing in first grade was deemed to be sufficient criteria! I still think there are a lot of articles on first grade players that are really unworthy of inclusion in this encyclopedia. First grade appearance should not be regarded as a right of inclusion here. Editors should actually take notice of what it states at top of WP:BIO page and I quote "This page is considered a notability guideline on Wikipedia. It is a generally accepted standard that all editors should follow. However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception.". See that, occasional exceptions! To my mind a first grade player who only plays a handful of first grade games spending a lot of time in most of them on the bench does not deserve inclusion here. Nor does this guy who is yet to play a first grade game. Sting_auTalk14:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment actually, I'd even support a notability note on relevant sporting-focused Wiki Projects such as AFL, NFL, NBA etc.Garrie01:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, based on this kid's injury, it's not a given that he'll play. Can easily be recreated if he does manage to get into a top-grade game. Lankiveil (talk) 12:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Comment: I think that WP:BIO at one time included sportspeople who were in the squad for a fully professional top level team. (It was definitely argued at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Davis (footballer). It definitely does not say that now, and I don't see the need for these articles, but it would seem strange to treat this case differently to similar examples. JPD (talk) 13:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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