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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:16, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Frank A. DeMarco[edit]

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Borderline notability; probably copyvio. WP NOT MEMORIAL. DGG ( talk ) 04:26, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Have no reason to doubt his notability. See for example list of 6 or so significant awards given at Frank A. DeMarco#Honours. --doncram 16:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And, if copyvio concerns are an issue, that is a matter for posting at article itself and with appropriate wp:copyvio processes. --doncram 21:33, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Agree with doncram on notability and awards and honors. Also notability is associated with firsts and founder role and not straight academia. Should be no further concerns by DGG because - can state unequivocally there is no copyvio here, and that this is not a memorial (living person).Ammiamm (talk) 20:51, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. This page received positive feedback from reviewer/editor on creation as follows: Wikipedia editor Prof. Mc just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you "A good start to the article."Ammiamm (talk) 20:51, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:37, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. No pass of WP:Prof#1. Not much else. The article contains so much puffery as to be an embarrassment to its subject and his institution. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC).[reply]
• Keep does not pass WP:PROF or GNG; would reconsider if the significance of the awards could be explained. Copyvio or not (assuming good faith) is irrelevant in any case. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 05:28, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• changing to Weak Delete -- the Essex College principal is almost enough, however the school was only founded the same year and immediately incorporated into the University of Windsor (Assumption), so it seems more like a Dean role than a President/Vice-Chancellor role. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 18:41, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• changing to Keep -- it's a case of nearly passing many different elements of notability (for awards received, awards named after him, mentions in books that are slightly dependent on the institution but basically independent of the subject, close pass on the WP:PROF president level, etc.) -- I asked a week or so ago about clarification about the community consensus (on WP:PROF talk page) about whether nearly passing a number of criteria where any one of which would be sufficient for WP:N would be enough. I didn't get any discussion going, so I'll go with my gut; passes the Average Professor Test of WP:PROF for contributions to the founding of a notable school. Ammiamm did some convincing on my Talk page; I do wish there were some more sources that were truly independent; my feeling is someone will AfD this again if the article's sourcing isn't improved. An Obit in a paper? -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 00:00, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep re query on notability of awards and honours- I see several very prestigious Canadian/Commonwealth awards are listed here- these are awarded by the Queen through the government of Canada or directly from the government of Canada to recognize individuals who have made a significant contribution to Canada and their community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4276point (talk • contribs) 14:47, 13 May 2014 (UTC) — 4276point (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
• Comment: Agree with Cuthbert that Principal role alone is almost enough- DeMarco was appointed inaugural Principal of Essex College in 1959 and held this position for 4 years until 1963 when University of Windsor was established. So in the post for four years and effectively in charge of Essex College from 1956 as chair of staff committee before Principal position was established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4276point (talk • contribs) 22:54, 13 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Thank you for the clarification 4276point. I have re-checked sources and re-visited wording to reflect Essex College's autonomy until 1963.Ammiamm (talk) 04:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• There is an extensive comment posted to article's talk page from an involved contributor to the article if one or more editors would like to assist the involved parties with respect to policies and ummm whatever needs to be done (or not done as the case may be) as far as the article is concerned. Candleabracadabra (talk) 01:31, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment.Thank you for the careful reviews, and advice.

• I am working with someone who is uncovering relevant newspaper articles, numbering literally in the hundreds, in the Windsor Star archives, and in the Canada-wide The Globe and Mail. I am a rookie in Wiki, but getting some of these additional citations into the article is our top priority. We have completed some, and are working on more. There is not a great deal of the institution’s fifty-years-ago history in print in books, so far, but we understand there is some in the works. We do cite a present-day printed periodical of the University of Windsor, called ['View' ] that is available in on-line form.

• Also, regarding the comment from Candleabracadabra, about the talk page: Yes, I did post some background commentary there, because I thought that was what the page was for. Did I do something wrong? As I say, I am new to this, and I do welcome advice.Ammiamm (talk) 19:56, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the great work you are doing. Unfortunately it confirms that the subject is of local interest only and of no national or international interest. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC).[reply]

I'm not sure where in WP:GNG the words national or international appear. The regional sources seem to me to be independent, reliable, and (w/ recent additions) multiple. Isn't that enough? -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 08:21, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Agree borderline international interest but definitely of local, provincial and national interest- see notes about prestigious national and Commonwealth honours. National level particular noteworthy for DeMarco's involvement with Prime Minister Trudeau when DeMarco was a governor for the International Development Research Centre from 1980 to 1984. He also met frequently with several Premiers of Ontario. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4276point (talk • contribs) 16:04, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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