The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 20:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Degenatron[edit]

Degenatron (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Article is dedicated to a non-playable, fictional video game from the Grand Theft Auto series' universe. It is not notable for any reason. Y2kcrazyjoker4 07:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - non-notable meta video game. MER-C 08:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nom (and as non-game player, I was left with just - WtF. SkierRMH,08:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nom (and as game player, I was left with just - WtF. Koweja 15:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The Degenatron was sufficiently fleshed out, both in the GTA games and in the real world thanks to Rockstar's official Degenatron website, to sustain an article. It is relevant in real life as Rockstar's subtle counter-attack against critics who accuse videogames in general, and GTA games in particular, of pushing kids into committing crimes. And unlike what Y2kcrazyjoker4 said, it is actually playable, as there are Degenatron emulators out there. The article itself is well written, with an out-of-universe perspective, and well referenced. It is well worth keeping in Wikipedia. -- Ritchy 15:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. Koweja 15:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep , actually, and I do mean to destroy all of the above opinions for deletion when I say this, these are real games. You can play them at dgenatron.com , which is a Rockstar Games website. For this reason, and because it's part of an insanely popular videogame series, this article should stay. Chopper Dave 17:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge or Keep It looks well done. An addition to the encyclopedia. Just H 17:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Degenatron is playable online, but it is not playable in any of the GTA games. It's simply a fake video game used in radio advertising and making a cameo appearance as a texture at the taxi company. Doesn't there need to be some sort of established notability in order to have this article? What's to stop people from creating Wikipedia articles for Cluckin Bell and Sprunk? Y2kcrazyjoker4 19:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply If people can write solid, sourced articles on Cluckin Bell or Sprunk, why should we be trying to stop them? -- Ritchy 22:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep per Ritchy. --- RockMFR 20:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Okay as a subsection for a mention in a GTA article, but not substantive enough a topic (and crufty) for an encyclopedia article. More appropriate for a GTA wiki. Bwithh 20:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete It's bad enough Wikipedia is full of real video games, it certainly doesn't need to cover fictional ones. Wasted Time R 22:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Ahem. It's "bad enough" Wikipedia covers videogames? Care to explain? -- Ritchy 22:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seriously, that's a bit of a jerkish thing to say. The GTA games have sold something like 40 million copies in North America alone- tell me that's unimportant. -- Kicking222 22:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep per Ritchy. -- Kicking222 22:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep per above - The RSJ 00:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It is a published video game, and this is an encyclopedia. Somitho 12:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It's not a published video game. Of course, that doesn't mean it doesn't have some notability, but it's still not an actual video game (or console). -- Kicking222 13:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If it was a published video game, then how come the guys at Gamestop look at me like I have 2 heads when I ask if they have any copies of Degenatron for PS2? Y2kcrazyjoker4 19:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Looks like that Somitho meant that GTA is a "published video game" --GreyCat 08:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep. Lots of people play GTA and hear that "degenatron" praisings. Whether it's a real or fictional game, it's a clear fact that such an entity exists, and I think it's a good thing that a guesser may open up Wikipedia and get to know all the details. Really, the GTA universe is very tightly intermixed with real-life (GTA:VC - with sunny 80s in USA). Lots of people just won't know if "degenatron" is real reference to some weird 80s early game or just a parody - and then the Wikipedia should provide that sort of information. --GreyCat 08:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.