The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Closing this as Keep, in part because it appears that the nominator has withdrawn their deletion rationale along with new sources located. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:09, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

David Lerner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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I fundamentally can't find sigcov outside of the cited introduction to The Spoken Word Revolution Redux that would establish notability. This has me quite confused. Hopefully I'm missing something. If not, seems that there is not enough coverage to establish notability. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 15:21, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Poetry, and New York. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment All I've been able to find are a handful of copies of his books in some academic libraries, and the proof that the Zeitgeist Press, a small poetry press, existed. Unless quite a bit more comes to light I'll !vote delete. Note, however, that I find some confusion in his dates, since this says that he died in 1997 (as does his VIAF entry) yet a book published in 2010 gives a bio of him with no mention of his death. Lamona (talk) 01:33, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above discussion, but I'd be willing to let this be userfied. It needs a lot of work. Bearian (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep After researching this subject I believe he meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Lerner was a so-called outlaw poet who founded and helped lead the influential Babarians poetry group in San Francisco. Among the other poets associated with this group are Julia Vinograd, Bruce Isaacson, and Alan Kaufman. Lerner's poetry has been reviewed in critical journals and he's also been the focus of detailed profiles of his life and poetry in anthologies such as The Outlaw Bible of American Poetry and The Spoken Word Revolution Redux (with the profile from Spoken Word Revolution Redux reprinted on the Poetry Foundation's website). Lerner and the Cafe Babar scene he ran are also evidently profiled at length in Visions and Affiliations: A Literary California Timeline, Volume Two: 1980–2005 by Jack Foley but I've been unable to locate a copy of the work. I have added a good bit of information to the article along with these and other citations, including reviews of his poetry from reputable books and journals. Based on all this, I believe the article should be kept.--SouthernNights (talk) 17:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:05, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I believe that Notability, within his niche and memorialized through published works, was established on a historic basis and thus carries forward to today.Flibbertigibbets (talk) 19:03, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't access all the sourcing, but SourthernNights work would seem to (when viewed in summation) establish some degree of notability. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 17:42, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.