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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —MRD2014 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Rubin (basketball)[edit]

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Subject does not appear to meet the notability requirements of WP:NBASKETBALL, or more generally, WP:Notability (sports) - he played college ball at Boston College and plays professionally in Israel (not among the listed leagues). He did participate in and win a gold medal with the US at the Maccabiah Games, but I don't see that that confers notability either. As for GNG, he was the subject of a Washington Post article during his college career, has been mentioned in articles describing the games he played in and got lots of coverage from the BC outlets, which does not seem like the extensive specific third party coverage that's required. JohnInDC (talk) 12:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Jrcla2 (talk) 17:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets GNG. Broad international coverage, including full articles devoted to him in both the Washington Post and (for some reason, ignored by the nominator) Israel. 2604:2000:E016:A700:38A0:C24E:B5FC:133A (talk) 18:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NBASKETBALL. He plays in the Israeli Basketball Premier League, which is a top league covered by notability standards. Jrcla2 (talk) 21:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- (If so then I withdraw the nomination, but that league is not listed at WP:NBASKETBALL and that page should be edited to reflect this.) JohnInDC (talk) 22:22, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NHOOPS was recently changed to remove its prior presumption of notability for leagues "similar" to the ones listed. (See [1] and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball/Archive 10#Revised WP:NHOOPS guideline.) In the discussions for that change, Israel's Premier League is mentioned as another league whose players probably have notability, and my recollection is that players in the top Israeli league have generally been considered notable, but it's not presently on the list. Meanwhile there's a different list at WP:BASKETBALL that follows football's presumption of notability for players in "fully professional leagues", which Israel's Premier League certainly is. Leaving all this aside, however, I agree with IP editor 2604: above: there's sufficient evidence of substantial coverage for Rubin to pass GNG, obviating the need to resolve the broader open question about WP:NHOOPS and Israel. So my !vote is keep per GNG. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:54, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The list at WP:BASKETBALL was created by one user and represents no consensus. In fact, there definitely is NOT consensus that All fully professional basketball players are notable. That doesn't mean this case isn't, but since it came up it is important to be clear about this. Rikster2 (talk) 01:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do have trouble swallowing that any person who ever played in any one of those leagues is "notable" and warrants a Wikipedia article. That does seem like a real stretch to me. (And - while I'm here, I'll also add that I'm surprised to see that there are Keep votes based on the third party coverage here, inasmuch as about half the sources are BC sources, the bulk of the rest are just snippets, with only one or two (as best I can discern from the Hebrew) actually the kind of independent, in-depth coverage that's necessary for GNG.) JohnInDC (talk) 01:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - If the Israeli Basketball Premier League was removed from NBASLETBALL then it should be restored, and in any case this player has a major article in the Washington Post and at least several short articles in Hebrew to be at least a borderline GNG. And given he plays in the top Israeli league I suspect there is more coverage but I am not skilled at searching for Hebrew articles on Google. Rlendog (talk) 22:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was not removed, it was never a named league in the guideline. Arguments really need to be rooted in GNG. Rikster2 (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was indirectly removed if the "similar" language that had previously included it was eliminated. 15:43, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Keep per Jrcla2, Arxiloxos and Rlendog. Ejgreen77 (talk) 05:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per rationale above. Additionally I have made a suggestion here to add Israel to the WP:NHOOPS list - Galatz ^Talk 14:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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