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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) WJ94 (talk) 10:30, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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This is just a plot summary about a fictional planet. BEFORE fails to find anything helpful. At best this WP:GNG-failing topic can be redirected (merged?) to List of Star Wars planets and moons. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Science fiction and fantasy. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I believe this is notable after all: Vom Artushof zum Palast der Saelde, p. 33-35 has two-and-a-half pages discussing Dagobah in the context of Joseph Campbell's hero's journey; Myth, Media, and Culture in Star Wars: An Anthology, p. 38-39, is very similar if shorter; "Wizards and Jedi: A Comparative Analysis: Between Merlin and Mentors in Star Wars" compares Dagobah to a location of an Arthurian story; and there are shorter mentions, like "'From sequel to quasi-novelization: 'Splinter of the mind’s eye' and the 1970s culture of transmedia contingency’" with a piece of creative background. Daranios (talk) 15:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not seeing much about the planet itself. Plot summaries, yes, but analysis? And let me note that stuff like "A prototype of Luke's symbolic experiences in the Dagobah cave appears in Kurosawa's Drunken Angel" is not about Dagobah but about Luke Skywalker. Luke is notable, but not all places he adventured at are. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- And while you are right that "Wizards..." compares Dagobah to a location of an Arthurian story, this comparison is one-two sentences long. Maybe three-four if we are being generous. SIGCOV is a problem. If there is not much else to say than "Dagobah has been compared to location associated with Merlin from Arthurian myths", this is good stuff to mention in a list - we don't need a dedicated article for a sentence of analysis. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I cannot read the German text, if you think lenghtier analysis is presented there, I'd ask you to summarize it here (and after that, add it to the article). I am amenable to changing my views, but right now I don't see enough analysis to merit keeping a stand-alone article, I fear. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Vom Artushof...: Luke has to undertake an ardous journey to become a hero, modelled after Campbell's heros journey, with the setting complementing the plot: One station is planet Dagobah, which is "an impressive example of the interplay of space and plot" .... the incredible power of planet Dagobah .... hidden in fog and coulds at the edge of the galaxy, uninhabitabet, persumed uninhabitable, teeming with life... despite or because of the nativeness and inviolcy of nature, Dagobah is a place incomparable in touching the force of the universe... dark side is present...place of hiding for Yoda, place of instruction for Luke... Despite Dagobah being hostile to life, this planet is suitable like no other to influence the progression of the hero through its spacial conception, being remote and full of untouced-untamed nature.... isolated place of power. George Lucas means Dagobah as a place removed from distraction by human civilization to help to focus Luke's individual power and where he has to learn to face his own fears...connection to nature on the planet connects with original energies of the galaxy connects with individual power. This connection of location and plot goes back to anciend creation myths via medieval texts. Daranios (talk) 10:51, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- And another secondary source, Interpreting Star Wars: Reading a Modern Film Franchise, p. 85-86, 91, does analogous analysis - Dagobah "fits well" as place to where the hero retreats "from society to a world of more primal symbols where he must conquer his own darkenss" from Campbell's schema - and has additional commentary: "richly constructed a semiotic environment", the Dagobah set evoking "the forest of our subconscious and the jungle of the mind"; "...the dark swamp infested by reptiles is our unconsciousness...", "no other environment attempts such imagery as Dagobah is constructed of"; "Dagobah would also come to be the basis for ... the notion that the film constitutes a form of mythology". Out-of-universe comments on the Dagobah set are strewn through a few sources, like Star Wars FAQ. So together in my view there is plenty enough material to fullfill WP:WHYN. Daranios (talk) 10:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Daranios Not bad. I'll ping @Presidentman who may want to take a look at those sources as well. I am prepared to withdraw my nom, but it would be nice if someone would add a sentence or two to the article, with the sources cited. Any chance you can find few minutes for that? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Piotrus: Yeah, I can add at least a bit one of these days. Daranios (talk) 15:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The German source and the Interpreting Star Wars look sufficient to me. Not sure about the Star Wars FAQ as I cannot access it in full. I'll withdraw my redirect !vote for now. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
* Redirect to List of Star Wars planets and moons. My BEFORE also didn't turn up anything. The sources provided above appear to be mainly passing mentions rather than significant coverage. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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