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The result was delete. slakr^\ talk / 07:24, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Conor Brian Quinn[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Sources trivial (ie bookseller's sites) or effectively self-published. PROD removed because he is going to be the host of a TV show: WP:TOOSOON TheLongTone (talk) 21:54, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Due to the fact there is already at least one Conor Quinn on wiki Conor Brian Quinn had to be created to differentiate from others with the same Christian and surname. However, nearly all publications and appearances by the New Zealand Conor Quinn, including previous TV and movie credits, editorial credits, author credits and business activities, all occur under the name Conor Quinn in New Zealand and internationally. As well as providing relevant and interesting information on New Zealand's Conor Quinn, one of the reasons of the page is to differentiate Conor 'Brian' Quinn from any other Conor Quinn residing in a different country. This combination of factors should provide sufficient justification for including a Conor Brian Quinn page on Wikipedia.
These sources are for Conor Quinn author and editor credits books - scholar - JSTOR - free images
CallanGrey1972 (talk) 22:18, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see what I can find, but the problem with just giving links is that a lot of those links might have false positives. In other words, you can say that there are a lot of hits for the name "Conor Quinn", but there are likely a lot of people with that name in various fields. Also given that many of these sites tend to list authors by "Last name, first name", it's also likely that they might pull up hits for a Quinn Conor. Basically, we need specific sources and not just a general search link. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:21, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm finding some false positives for a Conor McDonough Quinn (mostly in relation to Problems and prospects in the Penobscot Dictionary) that comes up as simply "Conor Quinn", so any other searchers need to be careful of this. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:29, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Once I began searching and weeded out the obvious and not so obvious false positives, it became fairly clear that this specific Conor Quinn isn't particularly notable. He doesn't pass notability guidelines at all. Quinn has had some dealings with large corporations and other notable people/companies, but this in and of itself doesn't give notability since notability is WP:NOTINHERITED by this fact. I can't find anything that has specifically focused on Quinn as the subject of the author and his work as a whole doesn't seem to have been widely cited anywhere enough to where he'd be considered a pioneer or widely respected figure in his field(s). Now before anyone begins to argue that he is, the catch 22 of that part of the notability guidelines is that it's expected that someone who is that widely respected or cited will have received lengthy coverage about them in reliable sources. Quinn hasn't received that. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV/WP:IS. I strongly suspect COI as creator has created only one article and contributed to related articles and it also seems an unlikely coincidence that creator and subject share same year of birth. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 21:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's fair to say I am biased but it was pretty interesting to find this page on Wikipedia, with strangers discussing my notability :) FYI - you will only find around 10% of my publications can be easily accessed online. I have written about 100 notable research reports on a variety of subjects and ghost written a number of successful books, which can't be named for obvious reasons; another notability catch 22, with Catch 22 of course my favourite publication. As far as onscreen credits you would have to talk to my agent as I try to avoid discussing them, considering I do have a very humble streak; another notability catch 22 I'd suspect. I would anticipate this page being deleted but it was flattering to find it and I will keep the screen shot of this discussion as an enjoyable keepsake. Keep up the good work Wikipedia. C. — ConorBrianQuinn (talk) 20:27, 6 February 2014 (UTC) ConorBrianQuinn (talk) 20:29, 6 February 2014 (UTC) Struck, sock account of page author. Amalthea 12:22, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - An inquiry of the article author as to why there is not more content regarding this Conor's work with endangered and at-risk bird species in NZ? As a Royal Forest and Bird Protection Society of New Zealand Member I know he has authored/co-authored perhaps a dozen or more high profile reports on the subject and monitoring these bird species. However I can only find one online. I have attended a number of seminars he has conducted on bird monitoring and at risk species (as the face of First Words In Fauna) and know he works with a number of high profile organisations across the country. I was under the impression he was a notable expert in NZ regarding bird monitoring and species recognition so surprised there isn't more on this in this article and whether this would make a difference in notability stakes; perhaps because there isn't so much online coverage/sources regarding this work? If more information was included on the subject I'm sure there would be more keeps than deletes. AllAboutTheBirds (talk) 10:04, 7 February 2014 (UTC) Struck, sock account of page author. Amalthea 12:22, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Caught in Catch 22 indeed. Delete per Tokyogirl79 - SimonLyall (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - as an author/editor Conor Brian Quinn is very well known in literary circles in NZ and his work is highly respected. The quotes in this independent article also seem to lend some weight to notability with his opinion sought on the state of historical fiction writing in NZ. Have also read dozens of his book reviews in high profile offline publications and found a few online ones here online book reviews. DuncanFallowell55 (talk) 11:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC) Struck, sock account of page author. Amalthea 12:22, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as lacking in depth coverage in independent third party sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 23:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep After some in-depth research I would argue that there is a prime face case for inclusion as per WP:BIO criteria as they are worthy of notice due to obvious success across a number of diverse fields, even if it is just in New Zealand :) The subject of the article seems to be especially well renowned in the field of bird monitoring/at risk bird species with a lot of reports published, but only accessible through commercial vendors. Perhaps this information should be included in a more detailed article? CrookedwithaK (talk) 10:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC) Struck, sock account of page author. Amalthea 12:22, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
QuestionIs the ornithologist the person about whom the article is written? There's no mention of these activities there.TheLongTone (talk) 10:51, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Answer - Yes, this Conor is also the ornithologist and the company listed as First Words in Fauna is an environmental monitoring company that work with local government organisations and volunteer groups. I am the writer of the article and it's my first one so was unsure of how much detail to include and what weight to give each field the subject is involved in? I decided to try to write an article about someone local who is well known NZ wide. But when I researched him online there was more editing, writing and business related stuff than bird related. If the high profile bird monitoring reports can only be referenced if you buy them how can I include them in the article? And would this make a difference for "worthy of notice"? CallanGrey1972 (talk) 11:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If they have been published they can be used as references, sources don't have to be available online.TheLongTone (talk) 11:20, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as has met the notability requirements. Suggestion to CallanGrey1972 is to copy the article into your Sandbox to keep the work you have put in and resubmit when/if Connor Quinn gets more notable. His ornithological work could well bring him inside the requirsments eventually. NealeFamily (talk) 03:17, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That is their request as well, in case of deletion. Amalthea 07:39, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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