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The result was snow keep. Mach61 (talk) 19:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)(non-admin closure)
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- Christopher Brown (British composer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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Fails wp:anybio
https://londonlibrarymembership.b2clogin.com/londonlibrarymembership.onmicrosoft.com/B2C_1A_SusiOrSspr_SAML/samlp/sso/login - just links to a login page
https://www.lennoxberkeley.org.uk/articles/bach-and-lennox-berkeley - is written by the composer so isn't independent or secondary.
https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095530447 - is a routine discography on a reference site that isn't regarded as a reliable source and has no relationship to Oxford University
http://www.musography.co.uk/Page%202.html - musicography is just a miscellaneous music blog
https://www.britishmusicsociety.co.uk/2024/01/christopher-brown-24-preludes-and-fugues/ - This is a routine book review
This composer also fails WP:MUSICBIO tand WP:COMPOSER because they havent had any significant major label releases, they haven't contributed to any notable soundtracks or performed with any notable ensembles and as far as I can see they have no named chair at a major university. Signal Crayfish (talk) 14:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: I firmly believe that this composer article is justified and should not be deleted. It can be strengthened. I have already added two sources which I believe are stronger than what is cited above. I will do my best to help preserve this article. SpookiePuppy (talk) 16:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Entry in Grove Music Online ([1]), entry in The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Music, entry in Contemporary Composers ([2]) -- meets WP:GNG. Jfire (talk) 02:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Satisfies GNG. For the purpose of our notability guidelines for authors, there is no such thing as a "routine" book review. This article is not about an organisation. A book review can be "insignificant" if it is so brief and short that it is not lengthy enough to pass GNG, but it cannot be "routine". James500 (talk) 08:55, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I can fix the Grove Dictionary of Music link (sorry, my mistake, the link was to my library access portal), though it's a subscription service, so the whole article won't be available. Brown is retired now but was at RAM for 40 years and retains links to King's College. He is a composer of many substantial works that (especially choirs) still perform, so there's a need for reference material. The two main reasons I added the article were that 1) many links to the American composer Chris Brown's entry should actually have referred to the British Chris Brown (I have now fixed them), and 2) The new recording of his 24 Preludes has just come out, and new reviews are likely to come out over the next few months - with other works likely to be recorded as well. He was the teacher of at least three blue link composers and of at least one more that would justify his own entry. There's room to expand the article by going into the music in more depth. On the Lennox Berkeley link, there's no need for independence here - LB was a very famous composer, the proof that he taught Christopher Brown is not disputed. The link was included to help explain how Berkeley influenced Christopher Brown's music.Sfjohna (talk) 12:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Oxford Reference link is from Oxford University Press (closely linked to Oxford University), and the publisher of the Oxford Dictionary of Music (sixth edition, 2012 revised). The text shown from the link is taken directly from the Dictionary.Sfjohna (talk) 14:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- SNOW Keep: Obviously, a Grove entry is an open-and-shut case for establishing notability. Thanks to all those who have improved the article! Why? I Ask (talk) 23:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per all above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:28, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikidata
I created a new Wikidata entity so that the Authority Control could be addressed. I added quite a lot of referenced statements before I realised that there was already an entity in existence and linked to the French Wikipedia article. I have now merged these entities into one and tidied up the surviving one. See: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q123574568
SpookiePuppy (talk) 16:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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