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The result was Delete. Jinian 18:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Royal[edit]

Non-notable football player who plays for the minor leagues of Arena Football of all places, the odds of making it big is very low, fails WP:BIO, prod removed, Delete Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 21:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Not sure if there is a wikiproject for American Football similar to WP:BASEBALL, but in the absence of sport-specific guidelines, the WP:N criteria for notability for athletes is that they play in a fully-professional league. AF2 appears to be a fully professional league, so appears to me to meet guidelines. Capmango 22:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:WikiProject American football, which does not appear to have notability guidelines. Morgan Wick 23:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Af2 is the minor leagues of Arena Football, do we keep articles on minor league players, most of the time no. Fully professional is the Arena Football League not AF2 Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 23:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete I searched to see if he was nominated for any kind of award in his collegic days, but the closest I could find was a Defensive POY in the MAC conference Corpx 02:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Player will play in the WP:AFL at the very least next season. This has been confirmed. His agent is working setting up tryouts with NFL teams. He is the best player in the AF2 right now, and while some would not consider this to be a major accomplishment, being the best of the players that some would consider to be mediocre, is still an accomplishment greater than I'll ever be able to claim. His stats posted on this wikipedia listing are legitimate and can be researched at www.af2.com. As someone stated below, the AF2 is a fully professional league and there are good players and future stars currently playing in the league. Chris only ended up in the AF2 because his college coach screwed him over, not because he's not a great player. How can the best player in the history of any league not deserve a page on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.232.247.186 (talk • contribs) — 144.232.247.186 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Sorry that type of info needs to be sourced with multiple, non-trivial newspaper coverage, not by the agent himself, until then he is just another non-notable minor league football player that fails WP:BIO. Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 19:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Per WP:N, without specific, multiple, independent sources, the person does not meet notability standards. Also, per WP:CBALL, subjects cannot assume notability on what "might" happen in the future. The user is encouraged to re-add the content if and when such notability is sourced and verifiable. ++Arx Fortis 02:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- There's no doubt that one could easily come up with multiple independent sources for this person, as with anyone else who plays sports at even a semi-pro level (notwithstanding that this particular article doesn't list any). That's why the notability guidelines for athletes are stricter. Capmango 01:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 12:56, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've had no luck finding enough information to make the subject pass WP:N. He's got to have some type of non-trivial coverage before I would be willing to reconsider. Trusilver 18:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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