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The result was Keep - he made his official pro debut on July 1st thus it meets WP:ATHLETE --JForget 22:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chase Wileman[edit]

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Player has not sufficiently satisfied the notability criteria for football players as determined by WikiProject on Football GauchoDude (talk) 19:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

These are, um, pretty unclear criteria. I interpret point one as being someone who plays for a professional team which competes in a national-level league, on which basis he seems to qualify - I don't understand the American system very well, but FC Dallas seems to compete in the top-level league there, which is what it's asking for. What is a "FPNL club", anyway? The only reference to that on google seems to be the deletion criteria and discussions of it.... Shimgray | talk | 19:45, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - It basically means he has to play for a professional team, which he does in FC Dallas, however moreso the fact that he has to appear in a competitive fixture to become notable, such as a league match or the US Open Cup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GauchoDude (talk • contribs) 21:18, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not particularly concerned over whether we keep this article or not, but please next time try to give your reasons for listing it for deletion rather than just vaguely invoking a page without explaining why it qualifies. Otherwise, it's just a waste of time for us all. Shimgray | talk | 13:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - The player's MLS profile confirms he hasn't made any appearances, so fails WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 01:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep he has now made his pro debut, as per JonBroxton below. GiantSnowman 16:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 01:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Since he hasn't made an appearance yet for FC Dallas he fails WP: Athlete. Vickser (talk) 02:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete without prejudice and recreate if and when he makes an appearance. --Jimbo^[online] 09:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE. Note to nominator - WP:FOOTYN has not been accepted by the wider community and should not be used in deletion debates. пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:52, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Meets WP:ATHLETE criteria of "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league" as he plays in the MLS Reserve Division which is fully professional. Nfitz (talk) 17:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment as per the discussion at WP:FOOTBALL, reserve leagues are not considered to be a "fully professional league." GiantSnowman 18:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. I'm not aware of any WP:FOOTBALL discussion that discusses MLS Reserve Division, but rather discusses the less professional European reserve divisions. Nfitz (talk) 18:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment - You mean a league less professional than the MLS Reserve Leagues, where you can have "guest players" walk on to the team to play, having no connection to the team whatsoever? From here, "A guest player with a reserve division team may be eligible to appear in a reserve division game provided that he is properly registered and all necessary paperwork has been completed and confirmed." I also seem to recall one team had to call down people from the press box to come play to field a full squad, which was mentioned on Fox Football FoneIn. GauchoDude (talk) 23:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • That's actually true - Dan Cerwinske, who is a member of Galaxy's back office admin team (albeit one who was once a college soccer standout) played for Galaxy in a reserve game this year. --JonBroxton (talk) 17:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • New evidence shows he has played professionally - July 1st 2008 Nfitz (talk) 05:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete reserve teams are not first team, so playing for one of them should not be considered as a notable event. --Angelo (talk) 23:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• KEEP Wileman has now made his full professional debut for Dallas, completing full 90 minutes in a US Open Cup game against Miami FC. [1] --JonBroxton (talk) 02:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Close this discussion please - JonBruxton is correct, he has indeed made his pro debut. Bettia (rawr CRUSH!) 08:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.