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The result of the debate was Transwiki. Rossami (talk) 06:10, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't actually wish for this article to be deleted, but am VFDing it in response to a similar article which was VFD'd, List of General Slocum victims, which lists the ~1000 victims of the General Slocum disaster. From the VFD page for that article, users either claimed it was a memorial, that it should be deleted along with 9/11 lists such as this, or that it should be moved to Wikisource (where a similar article was VFD'd and people said to move it to Wikipedia). So, I propose that one either support this deletion, or oppose it and support the current undeletion request of the General Slocum article. Thanks.

Since moving to Wikisource doesn't seem to be an option, I'll VFD on the basis that Wikipedia is not a memorial. --brian0918™ 21:52, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: I think a lot of people are going to tell you to read WP:POINT which advises you to accept the inconsistent nature of wikipedia as a "desirable thing". Kappa 22:15, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • So I cannot use previous VFD's of similar articles as precedent for deleting another, or the failed VFD of a similar article as precedent for not deleting another? How did any policy ever come about in the first place without the use of precedent. --brian0918™ 22:19, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • No, you shouldn't make a bad-faith nomination to prove a point. If you don't really want this to be deleted, than why did you nominate it? android↔talk 22:50, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
• Can't we simply transwiki this to the September 11 Wiki? Mgm|^(talk) 22:36, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki per MacGyver. android↔talk 22:50, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)
  • Can I get a comment about what should be done with disaster lists such as this that haven't been given the privilege of their own wiki? Thanks. --brian0918™ 22:53, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki as above. The event is noteable; the individual victims are not, as per Stalin. For the record, if there wasn't a Sept 11th wiki, my vote would be Delete. --InShaneee 23:09, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • So, how do I go about getting a wiki set up for the General Slocum disaster, and the Great Lakes Storm of 1913, and all other disasters in history? --brian0918™ 23:11, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • Neutral. This article can easily be transwikied to the September 11th memorial, or perhaps even Wikinews, but this calls all such pages into question. Casualty lists have been used in the Wikipedia before (see Jonesboro massacre, List of dead in Bolivian Gas War, Columbine High School massacre, List of Hillsborough disaster casualties), but not extensively, and this is such a gray area that I wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. So far, I'm leaning as to not permit any similar list types on the Wikipedia at all--but they'll be listed on the "external links" portion of the page, I hope. Too many factors are a party in this decision; I literally have a headache. Phobophile 23:32, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • External links? These lists don't exist elsewhere online. There are other sources besides the internet. --brian0918™ 23:40, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
        • Maybe you could take them to wikinfo, I don't think their inclusion policy has so many gaps. Kappa 05:36, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki to the September 11th memorial Wikimedia project. Failing a consensus to transwiki this article, please count this as a vote to delete. Wikipedia is not a memorial. --BM 01:00, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• As BM said: Transwiki as above. If consensus to transwiki is not achieved, count this as a vote to delete. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:31, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki to the memorial wiki. --cesarb 02:08, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Keep this one and all similar lists. Dsmdgold 00:30, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki. Rossami (talk) 03:41, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki as above, or delete. Wikipedia is not a memorial. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 20:31, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki to September 11th memorial wiki, as this fits perfectly with my understanding of their raison d'être. Thryduulf 12:23, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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