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The result was Nomination withdrawn --JForget 23:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bistro Moncur[edit]

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This reads like spam to me, but it claims to be twice a "Restaurant & Catering Association Awards for Excellence Winner" and twice "Awarded Two Chef's Hats" by the Sydney Morning Herald Good Food Guide. I'm not convinced this makes it notable. Grahame (talk) 01:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination withdrawn, I accept this has some notability.--Grahame (talk) 00:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think they would when it comes to food - they emphatically meet the criteria reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy at least to the same extent as newspapers on these sort of topics - ie food, restaurants, ... . If I look for restaurant reviews in Australia both Mietta's and Gourmet Traveller would be up there with the Sydney Morning Herald reputation wise. Perhaps you can clarify how you think these do not meet WP:RS for this topic so we don't talk at cross purposes--Matilda talk 04:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • They don't seem to be substantial coverage; one is just a one paragraph, fluffy review and the other is a much longer amalgamation of fluffy reviews as well. Maybe if strung together with other sources (i.e. more than just reviews), they could work. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - it is not a question of "clean up", it is a question whether any restaurant who gets at least 2 chef's hats (out of 5?) in a newspaper's guide if notable enough to have an article. That could amount to hundreds of thousands world wide.--Grahame (talk) 06:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC) Wikiepdia is not an indiscriminate directory, just selling good meals expensively is not notable. A restaurant would have to have something else to be notable, where a significant menu item was invented or a significant meeting occured, for instance. Gus's is just marginally notable for introducing outdoor pavement cafes to Canberra, but not for its food.--Grahame (talk) 06:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - point of clarification; "chef's hats" for both Sydney Morning Herald and The Age Good Food Guides are highly prized and judged annually. Refer for example to 2007 Sydney winners here [1] - seven Sydney restaurants were awarded three hats (highest) and 14 (including Bistro Moncur) received two hats. So on that basis (and both Sydney and Melbourne Good Food Guides are well credentialled) Bistro Moncur would be rated among the top 20 or so Sydney restaurants - for what that's worth. Murtoa (talk) 10:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... but the article was only created on 4th March!? Murtoa (talk) 10:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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