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The result was no consensus. ‑Scottywong | confer _ 18:09, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bendigo and District Cricket Association[edit]

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Seems to me to be a non-notable localised league/association. A google search only brings up localised sources, nothing too widespread, quite difficult to establish WP:N. It fails WP:CRIN from my interpretation, as it is not of Grade standard. My main concern is notability, I am struggling to see how this league is particularly notable and how it can be demonstrated by reliable sources. If someone wants to give it a try, good luck!!! AssociateAffiliate (talk) 20:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Jenks24 (talk) 02:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. Jenks24 (talk) 02:01, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Not sure WP:CRIN really covers leagues. I agree the teams in the BDCA probably won't be notable, but I reckon the league is. To begin, a lot more reference can be found when the and is excluded, i.e. searching for "Bendigo District Cricket Association". Looking at gnews, most of the coverage is from the Bendigo Advertiser, but there's also mentions in national-level sources such as the ABC. Looking at trove nla, you can see a lot of references in major Melbourne newspaper, The Argus. Going to CricketArchive, you can see that teams representing the league have played against some pretty high quality opposition, including Marylebone Cricket Club, Victoria, Tasmania, and many touring English sides of the late 1800s (e.g. HH Stephenson's XI, G Parr's XI, etc.). The association has been around since the 1850s and IMO its notability comes more from the prominence the league had c. 100 years ago than the quality of cricket that's played there today. The real clincher for me, though, is that there has been a book published about the league, Bendigo district cricket 1853–1990. Taking all this together, I believe the association meets WP:N. Jenks24 (talk) 02:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks significant coverage, the refs provided just show routine coverage, there is nothing I can find that addresses the subject directly and in detail. Mtking^(edits) 08:09, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- What about the book? Surely that can't be brushed off as routine? Jenks24 (talk) 08:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Exactly what I said, "the refs provided just show routine coverage", the link to a library catalogue does not help, all other things being equal, I would suspect that the book was either written by a member of, or someone with a close connection to the Association or was published or funded by them, in which case it would fail the independent test. Mtking^(edits) 11:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well, I can't really refute vague comments that the book might not be independent. Onto the newspaper articles. Take this article as an example – it's in The Argus, one Melbourne's leading newspapers at the time, and describes how Australian Test captain Warwick Armstrong is going to play for the Bendigo District side against the touring English side that was contesting the Ashes. How is that not significant? Jenks24 (talk) 07:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - It is about Warwick Armstrong and what he is doing (WP:NOTINHERITED), and at less than 40 words is not very detailed, and would also come under the heading of WP:ROUTINE coverage of an event (the meeting). Mt king ^(edits) 08:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        It is about Armstrong and the BDCA. Anyway, I think we will have to agree to disagree. I think a league that plays against touring England/MCC teams, has Australian Test captains play for it, and regularly has each week's play reported in Melbourne's The Argus (150 km from Bendigo), is notable, but I guess you don't and that's fine. We will have to wait for others to comment. Jenks24 (talk) 08:47, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the sources identified by User:Jenks24 are good enough for me. I do note that there's not a great deal of modern-day coverage of this league, however notability does not fade with the passing of time. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 01:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B music ian 04:29, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Per WP:CRIN. This is not a primary sub-state (grade level) competition, players are not selected from this competition to play for their state. WWGB (talk) 14:00, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- As noted above, WP:CRIN does not cover leagues. Also, looking at CricketArchive it appears that many Bendigo players went on to state careers (or played for Bendigo the same season they were playing for Victoria). Also, while it is true that nowadays only grade cricket players will be selected for state sides, I see no evidence that that was the case 100 years ago. Jenks24 (talk) 14:16, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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