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The result was merge to Brooke Kinsella. PhilKnight (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Kinsella[edit]

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Non-notable stabbing victim. Only notable as brother of EastEnders actor. Delete or merge into Brooke Kinsella Quentin X (talk) 15:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect per WP:BIO1E - only notable for his one thing, his death, but since we have a redirect target and it does is verifiable to reliable news sources, it's worth putting a mention of him into the article about his sister.--Les boys (talk) 16:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 18:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect a terrible tragedy but not needing its own article. Has already been added to his sister's article. 86.137.117.134 (talk) 21:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect - per nom and WP:BIO1E. robwingfield ^«T•C» 06:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect - very sad, but just another of a many teenage street murders this year. Only notability is via the victim's sister, and is already dealt with there. I would also note that the editor who created this page seems to have a "history" of making other apparently racially-motivated edits. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:35, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge Redirect to Brooke Kinsella. Agree with Nick Cooper on all points. Enigma ^message 18:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC) Changing to Redirect, as there isn't really much to merge. Enigma ^message 20:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment Note that it's now covered in Brooke Kinsella. Enigma ^message 18:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Brooke Kinsella. Rudget (logs) 19:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, or create page dedicated to the murder itself and redirect - the poor guy's death has inspired 500 young kids to march in protest yesterday, see front cover of today's Daily Mirror here. This is extremely important, to get 500 kids to react in this way, to say "enough is enough", is very notable indeed. I would not only argue that Ben Kinsella deserves his own article, but I would also suggest that the reaction to his death deserves its own article too: perhaps in the same vein that there is an article on the Murder of Kriss Donald or the Murder of Anthony Walker. Perhaps if we make this article Murder of Ben Kinsella, and redirect Ben Kinsella to the new Murder page, rather than to his grieving sister, this would be a better option all round. Tris2000 (talk) 17:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. At there moment there isn't actually much to compare this with either the Murder of Kriss Donald or the Murder of Anthony Walker in terms of the "wider story" in both cases, and unlike either one it does not appear to be racially-motivated, despite the efforts of some people to label it as such based on nothing more than the alleged demographics of the protagonists. So far there seems nothing in the circumstances of Kinsella's death to mark it out from similar deaths in recent months, only the reaction to it. Whether that makes it notable in its own right is the question. We do not have a page for Jimmy Mizen's death, despite a similar community response to it. Nick Cooper (talk) 08:06, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep OR Merge and redirect. Subject is notable enough to have a paragraph written in Brooke Kinsella, but might not warrant its own article. Article is poorly written, might not contain enough information, but is generally notable enough to at least have a paragraph written as the article states his death was featured in media and he was an actor appearing in a TV series. ~AH1^(TCU) 17:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. According to IMDB, he two role in single episodes of two series. The wording of the page in question that one was, "staring [sic] in the British series The Bill" is vastly over-stating the case. Nick Cooper (talk) 06:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge with Brooke Kinsella. Not sufficiently notable in his own right to warrant an article. WWGB (talk) 04:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge - per above. Gran² 07:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirects are nonsense. keep —Preceding unsigned comment added by :84.134.57.219 (talk) 13:00, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

— 84.134.57.219 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. WWGB (talk) 13:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, or merge with Brooke Kinsella the kid desperately tried to kick-start a campaign to tackle knife crime in the UK which has now been continued by his sister. The article is definitely notable but just requires more verification ——RyanLupin • (talk) 23:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Are you suggesting Ben Kinsella "desperately tried to kick-start a campaign to tackle knife crime in the UK"? If so, I'd like to see the source. WWGB (talk) 01:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I think it could possibly mean this. However, lots of kids write to the government about knife crime so the fact that Ben did just makes it a sad coincidence. (Quentin X (talk) 01:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC))[reply]
    • Or rename to Murder of Ben Kinsella, similar to Murder of James Bulger, Murder of Robert McCartney, Murder of Danielle Jones etc ——RyanLupin • (talk) 09:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Brooke Kinsella. Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 16:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.