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The result was Delete. While I don't discount the opinions of IPs or new users out of hand, I tend to afford them less weight if their arguments are contrary to policy. Here there really is nothing that meets the notability guideline. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 16:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Belt Republic[edit]

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non-notable fictional empire from a non-notable series of books. Icewedge (talk) 02:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the "non-notable" comment. What constitues "notable?" Does the book have to be on the New York Times Best Seller list? There are many books that deserve mention that have never been on that list. I would point out that the Belt Republic books are in public libraries(my public library has them), in public schools(again in our public school libraries), and are available for purchase at Barnes and Noble's web site and at Amazon.com Also, the fictional Belt Republic seems not to meet the criteria for an empire. It is a fictional republic. I don't agree with the deletion suggestion —Preceding unsigned comment added by Butlertedd (talk • contribs) 05:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC) Further comment on the Belt Republic books "notability." These books have been used in presentations for instruction at some 33 public schools in two states and one Canadian province. See the "appearances" link at the author's website www.sff.net/people/ted-butler —Preceding unsigned comment added by Butlertedd (talk • contribs) 06:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lake Forrest Park Library, Bothell, WA. Camp Burton Library, Burton, WA. Springbrook School, Kent, Washington Decatur HS, 2800 SW 320th, Federal Way, WA. Lakota MS, SW 314th St. Federal Way, WA. WJ Mouat Secondary School 32355 Mouat Drive, Abbotsford, BC V2T 4E9 Semiahmoo Middle School Library, Surrey, BC Ballou Junior High, Puyallup, WA. Aylen Junior High Literary Club, Aylen Junior High, Puyallup, WA Cascade Middle School, 11212 10th Ave, Seattle, WA. Mill Creek Middle School, 620 N. Central, Kent, WA Los Alisos Middle School, Norwalk, CA. DeMille Middle School, Long Beach, CA. Jefferson Leadership Acad., Long Beach, CA. Vashon Library, Vashon Island, WA. Maple Valley Library, Maple Valley, WA Covington Library, Covington, WA. Auburn Library, Auburn, WA. Rainier Middle School Library, Auburn, WA. Mattson Middle School, Kent, WA Sequoia Middle School, Kent, WA Pine Tree Elementary, Kent, WA

it is true that most school libraries as distinct from public libraries do not contribute to world cat. Thanks for correcting me there. DGG (talk) 18:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Of course. If you haven't contributed to Wikipedia, how can you demonstrate a knowledge of Wikipedian policy? If you go see WP:NB, it simply doesn't matter how many libraries the book is in. You need to pass the criteria of WP:NB. If it does, I will withdraw my delete vote and vote keep. Otherwise, my vote remains the same. DARTH PANDAduel 18:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • respond to comment. Okay. Let me try for item four on notability. This series of books have been used in a by the author in his “How to Write a Novel” lecture. The lectures were given to students by the author at the list of schools on the author’s appearance list on his web site. www.sff.net/people/ted-butler These lectures were given multiple times at high schools, middle schools, and one elementary school.) The lecture has also been given at the public libraries on the appearances list. I’m afraid you’ll have to take my word of honor that this was a lecture on “how to write a novel” based on the Belt Republic series, at 30 plus schools (given 60 plus times.) Now the question is, does that satisfy notability item 4? If verifiability is needed, contact Dana Ketcham, librarian, Pacific, Middle School, Burien, WA. She has had the Belt Republic author back at her school a number of times for novel writing lectures. Other school teacher/librarian contacts are also available. Lecture has been given at schools in two states and one Canadian province. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Butlertedd (talk • contribs) 05:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I have absolutely no trouble trusting you in this respect. However, WP:NN and WP:V both stipulate that third-party sources (i.e. a notable journal, magazine, etc.) needs to have coverage on the subject. For this particular book, that would equate to a review, a preview, or something similar. Furthermore, on WP:NB, section three (which is what I think you are referencing), I was under the impression that "instruction at multiple grade schools" meant part of the course and not merely part of a lecture. DARTH PANDAduel 12:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At that time the newspaper served all of King County around Seattle, WA. King County is the most populous county in WA state. KCJ has since converted to Kent Reporter. As to instruction at multiple schools interpretation, I guess I have to say some of my own best instruction from others has come from single lectures. Also, I point out that these lectures were given during school hours and to students brought by their teachers. One librarian reported after the lectures a writing club was formed at that school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Butlertedd (talk • contribs) 05:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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