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The result was keep. Dreadstar † 04:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Beekman Fire District[edit]

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There is no evidence of notability here. The award that the district has won is given to over one thousand districts a year in the US and Iceland. The award is given to any district (who decides to apply) who had no deaths in residential fires for a given year. According to this, for one of the years, there were only three total residential fires in the district, so I wouldn't say that's very notable. The other claim is that the district was the first in the area so it's notable. I can't find a source supporting it, and I don't really know if being the first is that notable. I don't really see this meeting our WP:CORP guidelines which would be the most relevant for this type of organization. Metros (talk) 00:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Okay, so I tried to find reliable sourcing for this article, and I admit it's been difficult. I did add one or two, and I think it's likely that it was the first district in Dutchess County, New York even though it hasn't been covered in any secondary sources accessible via internet. So even though it's weak, sources like these are good enough for me (for now). I imagine there are sources in the Beekman library / town hall that will support my premise of notability. -FrankTobia (talk) 13:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • So what you're saying, essentially, is that this should be kept on grounds of plausibility (that it's possible that this is the first in the county), rather than verifiability (that there is proof shown here that it is the first)? Metros (talk) 19:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • No. The subject of this article is very much verifiable. Even the websites hosted by the district satisfy WP:SELFPUB. The issue you've brought up is notability. The article passes my own internal notability test as it is now, based on its strong and supported history. If more is needed to convince you, then we can move on to its being "first on the county". This assertion does not raise a WP:REDFLAG for me; it is not really an exceptional claim. Just because this claim cannot be verified on the internet does not mean it cannot be verified. I have done my best, and I cannot source the statement at this time. I plan on tracking down the editor who added that information and see if we can't find some reliable sourcing. -FrankTobia (talk) 23:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge, greatly trimmed, to the town or the county article. This is of local interest only. Lord Uniscorn (talk) 22:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I'd say it's noteable. Also, there is no reason to merge it, especially since it would result in most of the information being lost. archanamiya · talk 23:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Information" like the numbers on their firetrucks? I'll have a stroke if this article is kept. Lord Uniscorn (talk) 01:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The likelihood of finding secondary sources for anything that would be notable besides the routine local appropriations and appointments and the like is extremely low. Probably nothing worth merging except the dat it was started. DGG (talk) 02:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I think it asserts its notability, one way by being the first of the eight original towns in Dutchess county to establish a fire brigade, and the RFSI award. Id say let's source all of it and expand.--English836 (talk) 03:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's no evidence given yet that it was the first in the county. Also, this award is not notable as over a thousand receive it each year for not having anyone die in a fire. Metros (talk) 04:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge to the parent county article. Many geographic articles of this nature will include such material when at FA or GA level. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. History clearly establishes notability. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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