The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator. Khoikhoi 00:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Oltu[edit]

Battle of Oltu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I don't think that this deserves its own article especially because it wasn't even much of a battle. Most of the information covered here is already extensively covered in the Turkish-Armenian War article. -- Clevelander 02:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, on second thought, I was acting irrationally. Of course these articles can be expanded. I apologize for causing a big stir about all this. Nomination withdrawn. -- Clevelander 14:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Seeing as how Clevelander and Nareklm have been the primary contributors to the article and are in favor of deletion, I have a question. Is there a chance that the articles for the battles can be expanded further? Are there casualty figures? Can maps be drawn up? What military units were involved? If these questions can't be answered and the article cannot be expanded much further, then forks are unnecessary and I'd support deletion. But if we can expand upon the articles enough so that they can stand alone, then I favor keeping them for the time being. Nareklm & Clevelander, any comments? Thanks, Caknuck 03:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Well there isn't much information and the only references are in Russian basically only, I tried searching about this in books no results came up. Nareklm 03:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Unfortunately, there is very little information on the Turkish-Armenian War. The exact number of casualties (both Armenian and Turkish alike) for the entire conflict has never really been ascertained. -- Clevelander 03:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep These battles do exist. I have questions regarding the credibility of the argument that there is no information. There are many shorter articles on wikipedia? Why we are in such a rush to delete these article? —The preceding OttomanReference 03:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Well these articles have no references or any official credible or English sources, the topic seems important but theres no information on it or in books some references would help. Nareklm 04:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment One explanation for Clevelander's position is that Armenian sources may have a bias for this period, as they lost the war. I 'm not an expert in this period, but it bothers me to delete any item (especially if they do not contain misinformation). It also puzzes me, why someone asks for deletion at the end this is an electronic medium, it will not cover space on someones desk :-). I strongly believe; it is not a good policy to act on deletion request. People can search for Battle of Oltu and they can find this page, get basic information (dates, sides, result) and if they want it will link them to main campaign page. OttomanReference 04:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Actually, I used non-Armenian sources when contributing this article. -- Clevelander 11:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Turkish-Armenian War. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 05:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep notable event, kick started the Turkish-Armenian War. RiseRobotRise 10:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The initial article was much the same as the summary in the Turkish-Armenian War article. But the new one has much more detail. Armenian-Turkish articles are always ticklish to keep neutral, so the drafting is often slow. --Bejnar 11:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and expand - notable. The Turkish-Armenian war is not well-documented and good source material can be hard to find, which is all the more reason for us to make the effort to expand this set of articles. --Squeezeweasel^talk 14:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Notable.--Yannismarou 19:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Notable event. —dima/s-ko/ 20:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Close The nominator has withdrawn can someone close this already? Nareklm 20:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.