The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 21:19, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Babak Castle Public Meeting[edit]

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for the following reasons this article should be deleted: WP:NOTSOAPBOX , WP:NOTADVERTISING , WP:NOTLINK , WP:GNG , WP:NRVE and WP:MADEUP; The user who created the page has less than 100 edits on less than 30 articles, and seems not be enough expert. Aliwiki (talk) 12:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep These deletion arguments seem somewhat spurious. The linked source confirms this is a real, notable event: "Since the end of the 1990s, Iranian Azerbaijan has been the stage for growing ethnic mobilization, in which Azerbaijanis demanded the recognition of cultural rights. The most symbolic is the annual rally at Babak castle in Kaleybar, a little town in East Azerbaijan Province, close to the Republic of Azerbaijan's border." Shii (tock) 13:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and Merge The anachronistic historical idea of assigning Babak Khorramdin an Azerbaijani-Turkic ethnicity can be put in the Babak Khorramdin article (it is not historical). The other pieces can put be put under general articles such as Azeris in Iran or etc. The article has only one source but the source is not about the Babak Castle meeting itself. --Khodabandeh14 (talk) 14:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• No reliable reference The article must be deleted as it does not have any reliable ground for its claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrusace (talk • contribs) 09:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please don't say such a thing when the reliable ground is available literally two lines above your post. Shii (tock) 13:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The article is not notable enough, and also it's a kind of advertising for this unnotable small gathering. --Wayiran (talk) 19:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: It's difficult indeed to claim that this is an "unnotable small gathering" when it attracted the attention of Amnesty International: [1] the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees: [2] and Iran Report: [3] Shii (tock) 23:50, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • None of those are academic sources. None of them treat this event as their primary subject, and only make brief mentions in passing, which is not enough to claim this is a notable event. Also, the last source cited ("Iran Report"), is speaking about a different event, organized by a different group, with a different agenda. Kurdo777 (talk) 00:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'm fairly concerned that all the pro-deletion discussion is coming from editors who identify as ethnic Iranian. I'm not familiar with the subject of this article but it looks notable to me. I would like an uninvolved editor to take a closer look at this. Shii (tock) 04:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Given that this page is listed list of Iran-related deletion discussions and most expert editors on a region, usually happen to be from that region, this is only natural. But I must say that I am very disappointed to see an administrator of all people, making bad-faith comments about other editors based on their presumed ethnicity. Also, you should note that "Babak Castle Public Meeting" and its variations generate ZERO results on Google Books or Google Scholar, you can't be seriously arguing that such a fringe event organized by a fringe group, deserves an article of its own on Wikipedia. Kurdo777 (talk) 23:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you actually search Google Books? [4] Shii (tock) 23:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Using an alternative spelling, you found one non-academic source that mentions this event in passing. That does not satisfy the notability criteria for a separate article. Again, if this was a notable event, you'd have sources discussing it as a primary subject, as oppose to making one-line mentions in passing. Kurdo777 (talk) 00:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete .The article has no sources and use a point of view that is not known to many editors . The original article in Azeri ([5]) is made up by only one person , that perhaps is the one that made the article in English Wikipedia , and has no other contributors ([6]) , that shows it is only a view point of especial group , and that is notable that both articles in Azeri and English Wikipedia are made in one date (6 September) and that so called event has been not known in Persian , Azeri and English Wikipedia before that date - an event of 1990's !!-.Isn't it a sign that a motivated group is making both pages in same time for advertising?
  About the Comment , I don't think the ethnicity of editors can a concern in Wikipedia , and participation of them in this article is because the whole matter is in Iran . It is possible for any outsider to discuss about a local event in any other place of the world ? --Alborz Fallah (talk) 16:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This not a notable event by Wikipedia standards. The article itself is WP:CFORK lacking any reliable references that are dedicated to the subject. Kurdo777 (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Notable event - Ret.Prof (talk) 22:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Could someone tell us the Persian title of the article?Farhikht (talk) 16:58, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't an actual Persian title, what we know is that since the end of the 1990s, unknown people with unknown sources claimed Babak Khorramdin is not a Persian hero, but a Turkish one, then they made up a rally in his historical fort. This event is held in a country that most of its governers such as its head who has the absolute power and the head of the opposition are Azeri; And in the region in whch its people suffered from Turks more than any people in the world. If you are not familiar with this subject, consider that native Americans claim Christopher Columbus is their hero and they make up an annual rally in his house in Genoa to ask their independence from United States.--Aliwiki (talk) 20:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We are not going to judge about the event itself and if it is publishable under Wikipedian roles , there is no problem in mentioning it , but the main reason against it is about it's validity (WP:MADEUP) and advertising tone (WP:NOTADVERTISING) .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 09:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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