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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 00:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Bathgate (ice hockey b. 1991)[edit]

Andy Bathgate (ice hockey b. 1991) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Non-notable amateur player who has yet to play professionally so fails to meet WP:ATHLETE or WP:N. Also fails WP:HOCKEY's guidelines for player notablity WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE. Can be recreated when/if he plays professionally or otherwise achieves notability. This is just the typical creation of junior players days after they have been drafted which has been shown by consensus time and again to not be enough to satisfy notability. Djsasso (talk) 16:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. —Djsasso (talk) 16:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete--seems a pretty straightforward case of not (yet) meeting notability guidelines. Drmies (talk) 17:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I couldn't find any sources, and I agree the matter seems very straightforward.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 17:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Sure this person may not be that notable yet, and I understand there aren't enough sources, but this page has a very good amount of information on the subject. Plus, Wikipedia has articles such as Bob McNeill, who was not a notable player and has only one reference on his page. Nappyrootslistener (talk) 17:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC)Nappyrootslistener[reply]

• Trouble with that argument is it boils down to WP:WAX. Besides, Bob McNeill played professionally.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 18:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• You might also want to read WP:CRYSTAL. To say he might be notable in the future is not good enough. Players drafted as late as he was often never become notable. To create an article about someone they have to be notable now. -Djsasso (talk) 18:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your arguement regarding Bob McNeill is flawed because he IS a notable player. He gained notability when he played in the NBA. -Pparazorback (talk) 02:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. WP:ATHLETE passes if the player has actually played in a game, by my interpretation - the problem here is that he was just drafted, so he really hasn't even been brought in as a rookie quite yet. No prejudice to recreation once he actually gets out and plays a game. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 21:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. GoodDay (talk) 22:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 23:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per prior precedent: Examples include 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and at least 25 other AfDs for similar players. When/If this player wins a major award or plays in a fully professional league, then this article can be recreated, until then, he is not notable per WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE. -Pparazorback (talk) 03:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Cs-wolves(talk) 04:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Standard post-Draft article creation frenzy always results in a lot of non-notable bio pages. This is one of them. – Nurmsook! ^talk... 04:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE. Niteshift36 (talk) 06:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The player page article seems to suggest notability is inherent which it is not. There are many grandsons or great grandsons of hockey legends to be drafted in the NHL. Steve Vezina, I believe is a great grandson of Georges vezina, though he never played a single NHL game despite being drafted by the winnipeg jets. When and if he plays professionally an article would be okay for creation and he would satisfy notability. beyond this there is no indication as to why hes notable. Ottawa4ever (talk) 01:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails to meet WP:ATHLETE, WP:HOCKEY/PPF#NOTE and precedent. Also, notability is not inherited. --Smashville^talk 13:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Non-notable Avi (talk) 17:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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