The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (non-admin closure). The relevant policy arguments in the discussion below hinge on WP:BIO1E. There is no debate that the article's subject has significant press coverage; the policy-based delete recommendations argue that this significant press coverage only covers the Britain's Got Talent competition. However, the consensus below is that the additional press coverage of the subject's record deal with a division of Sony BMG nullifies the WP:BIO1E argument, and the article should be kept.

Regarding Schcambo's point that a banned user created the article, it should be noted that Wikipedia:Banning policy#Enforcement by reverting edits points out that helpful edits made by banned users can be kept--and the consensus here is that this article meets our guidelines. Darkspots (talk) 01:03, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Johnston (singer)[edit]

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Contestant in a reality TV show. He lost the competition, and has done nothing outside of the show, meaning that all of the media coverage about him has been directly linked to Britain's Got Talent. As such, I believe that Andrew Johnston is not notable, as he famous only for one event. It is worth noting that despite the fact there are some articles for last year's losers (The Bar Wizards, Connie Talbot) the subjects of those articles have received coverage for events outside the show. Conversely, some of last year's losing finalists (including Bessie Curzons) did have their articles deleted. I also intend to assess the articles of the other finalists from the last series (including Faryl Smith and Kate and Gin) and possibly nominate them for deletion also. J Milburn (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep - As with a previous nomination for Faryl Smith, it is very likely that he is to be offered a contract. If , in a few months nothing arises then I will be happy to change my vote in another nomination. Thenthornthing (talk) 21:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. If and when he does become notable in his own right, I would not only support the creation of the article, but I would be happy to help write it. Until then, I do not feel that we should have an article. J Milburn (talk) 21:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per the exact same nomination for Faryl Smith, and for the same reasons as given by Thenthornthing above, with the same proviso. Also, with regard to the comment about possibly nominating the Faryl Smith article for deletion, I should point out that it has only just gone through the AfD process, being nominated on 1 June with the result to keep on 5 June, just two days ago. With regard to The Bar Wizards, any coverage seems to link to BGT and all 4 references on that article all come from the first series of BGT. And certainly three of the sections, Company History, Forthcoming Projects and Tandem flair show read like adverts for them.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 21:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above arguments by Milburn. Losing a talent contest, even one like this does not make one notable. Might get a contract? Might not. Might not achieve notability either way. We can't have articles on people because they might become notable. Wikipedia s not an indiscriminate collection of information. If, someday, notability is achieved, we can create an article. cheers, Dlohcierekim 22:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Does not have significant, not-trivial media coverage. Has no claim to meeting WP:BIO. Dlohcierekim 12:53, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Change to keep per User:Tangerines and appearance of reliable sources indicating notability. Dlohcierekim 17:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)`[reply]

• Delete, per Dlohcierekim. WP:CRYSTAL, WP:MUSIC, WP:NN and WP:BIO.  Esradekan Gibb  ^"Talk" 00:17, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - He's done nothing whatsoever outside the talent show - you might as well make pages for every single contestant for every single competition ever. Sparrowgoose (talk) 06:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I've yet to see nominations for other articles. Faryl's article had one, and was kept. Surely if you are to argue this then all the articles should be nominated the same way. Thenthornthing (talk) 11:37, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe if I had the time and energy. I simply don't want to go looking for articles to delete. If someone wants to bring an article for discussion here, and if I stumble into it, I'll have a look. Otherwise, not me. The keep arguments seem to be based on "other stuff exists". That's as may be. Dlohcierekim 13:09, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I said in my nomination, I intend to review the other articles and possibly nominate them. I wasn't aware that Faryl Smith was nominated earlier- I will consider renominating if I believe I can bring new arguments to the discussion, or if I believe that there were errors in the original nomination. J Milburn (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 14:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• CommentSorry but I have to reply to the comment, - The keep arguments seem to be based on "other stuff exists". I in no way based my vote on any such argument at all. I mentioned the result of the AfD nomination for Faryl Smith because it is relevant due to the reasoning given in that for the result to keep and both being finalists in BGT where Smith didn't make the final three, and Johnson finished as runner-up. If you wish to claim that the keep argument is based on "other stuff exists" then you could also by that same reasoning argue that some of the delete votes are because "other stuff has been deleted" which was also mentioned above. It would do no harm whatsoever to wikipedia to wait a short while, and see if this lad does actually have an album released or not through Simon Cowell. If not and he then drifts back into obscurity then fair enough, delete it.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 14:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I pointed out that others had been deleted in an attempt to preempt the inevitable 'but XXX was kept/exists!' J Milburn (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• 'Additional comment Apoligies for a second comment. However, on the BGT website it states that Simon Cowells Syco Music company "will be talking to Andrew, Faryl and Escala at some point this week" (about recording contracts). As I said above do think that this AfD could at least be held off for a week or so, to see if he does get a record contract.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 15:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cowell signed Talbot after the show, then dropped her. She remained non-notable until she was signed by Rhythm Riders. J Milburn (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• STRONG KEEP Oh wow. He lost the show. Just like Jason Castro lost American Idol and he still has an article. Oh dear! And Ron Paul isn't winning the United States presidential elections of 2008. Let's remove him. You can see my sarcasm. Obviously, the person who tagged was not well informed on how to use Wikipedia. I am very angered at how you people are behaving at this article.--Xxhopingtearsxx (talk) 16:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. Someone needs another look at WP:BIO. Losing the thing isn't the question. Meeting WP:BIO is. Some of us think he does, some think he don't, and others think he will. Also, I would recommend not editing or taking part in discussions while angered. It tends to cloud the reasoning faculties. Cheers, and happy editing. Dlohcierekim 17:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, multiple non-trivial media appearances means he meets WP:BIO. Note the Faryl Smith article was already nominated for deletion, and was kept. Neıl 龱 09:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, seeing as he is now signed to Sony BMG in the UK Yo daniel (talk) 10:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give us a link to a verifiable source? Dlohcierekim 13:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are numerous reports from various reliable news sources online all confirming that he has been signed by SyCo Music (and not Sony BMG itself) with an album due out later this year. That makes him notable. I will add the source to the article.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 17:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Now that a record deal has been confirmed, I (nominator) feel that the article should be kept. Please do not speedy close this as a nomination withdrawn to respect the opinions of those who have already !voted delete. J Milburn (talk) 19:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Also note that the article was created by a banned user avoiding his block by using sockpuppets. --Schcambo^{aon scéal?} 19:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It is irrelevant in this instance who created the article, it is only relevant whether or not he is notable. Given that he now has a record deal and is thereore not simply famous just for one event only, he is therefore notable, regardless of who created the article. It should also be borne in mind that the nominator has also now voted to keep given the record deal.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 19:26, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.