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The result was delete. Per extended rationale at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Lehmann and the lack of in-depth coverage. ~fl 06:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Burnett[edit]

All-Star in 2007 but appears to be non-notable. Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 18:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge to Minnesota Twins minor league players. Gsearch not turning up notability through in-depth coverage; has just been promoted to AA two days ago, which is not "fully professional" in my book. All-star appearance is an honor, for sure, but it looks like any given Midwest League player has a 1 in 8 chance of making the team.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Save - He was an All-Star last season and pitched 6 innings of shutout baseball in the second game of the playoffs for the Miracle. He's a great pitcher who will be in the majors shortly. He was already up for deletion once and the decision was save.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 22:11, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Previous Afd = Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fort Myers Miracles players. Having read the close, I'm a bit confused. Wizardman specifically noted one to keep, one to delete, and didn't make a specific call on the rest. I'm not sure we can assume the call was to keep -- no consensus is equally possible. We might need to ask Wizardman for clarification. (Yet another reason why I dislike these mass noms.)--Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A little more poking led me to more information. Wizardman actually closed this one as delete, and Johnny Spasm took it to DRV two days later. A number of commenters there, including the DRV closer, said they felt the close should have been no consensus, not delete. Calling the decision "save" is a bit of a stretch. --Fabrictramp | talk to me 22:42, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A year ago, I was new to Wikipedia, and wrote Wikipedia entries for the entire Miracle roster. The only articles that I argued for their restoration were the ones that MET the Notability guidelines. For that matter, I ever reccommended an article I wrote for deletion, Edward Ovalle. I've since made certain that every Miracle I've written an article for met notability guidelines. I know what I'm doing--Johnny Spasm (talk) 11:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did not question whether you knew what you were doing, just said that implying the previous AfD ended in "keep" for this player is a stretch.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 14:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is it a stretch? If a trial ends in a hung jury, is the guy who didn't go to jail, and is walking the streets wrong for saying "I was found not guilty"? Bottom line is the consensus was to keep the articles. I put up no argument for the utility infielder or the other players who probably didn't deserve articles in the first place and weren't notable. The ones I argued in defense of were the ones who were truly notable. I've since made sure that I remained within the guidelines that were set as a result of that debate. For that matter, I waited until Cris Cates' second All-Star selection to write an article about him. I learned my lesson a year ago, and my track record in the past year shows that.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 19:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the trial ends in a mistrial (which is really the better analogy here), the guy walking the streets because of it certainly wasn't found "not guilty".--Fabrictramp | talk to me 15:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Minnesota Twins minor league players. Previous afd failed because the mass nomination was a mess. The minor league player articles did not yet exist at the time. The current consensus is to merge these articles. Spanneraol (talk) 23:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE. Contrary to what was said in the other AfD, the Miracle is not a professional team . They are a minor league team. Minor league players don't qualify. Niteshift36 (talk) 07:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The opinions of people who say "The Miracle is not a professional team" should not count. He clearly doesn't know what he is talking about.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 11:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Minor-league players are professional athletes. They are paid a salary to play the sport and are employees of a ballclub. No opinion on this article (yet), just wanted to get that straight. Johnny, please remember to be civil in your comments. Matt Deres (talk) 02:44, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply While you're right in that they're athletes, it does not necessarily mean they're notable, which I'm sure you know.--Giants27 (t|c) 02:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC) Further the guideline at WPBB seems more applicable here. I haven't been able to find a decent third-party report on this player and the linked guideline suggests that minor league players are not inherently notable. Weak delete it is, for failing to meet notability. Matt Deres (talk) 02:57, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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