The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. There is no consensus regarding the appropriateness of a merge below but further discussion may be pursued on the talk page if desired. Eluchil404 (talk) 04:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Albedo (Xenosaga)[edit]

Large article of unreferenced gamecruft. No assertion of notability. Any other info can be summarized in the list of characters.

The information is also already mentioned in the Xenosaga Wikia.

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:

Testament (Xenosaga) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:20, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Close nomination Then summarize it in a list of characters or ask someone with more knowledge on the subject to do it. You don't need AFD to perform a merge. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: It's apparent that no one is willing to merge the articles, or they would have done so already. I don't think the info is merge-able either, since it's unencyclopedic.--_{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure there's an overwhelming consensus at WP:VG to merge this sort of thing. If you need support in the form of people to keep fans from shouting you down or knowledgeable editors, WT:VG would be the place to go. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 22:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Main character featured in three things from that popular series. I believe if there is enough information to warrant its own page, the character should have it. If you merged it with a character list from the series, it'd just end up with a few sentences anyway, so Merge means delete 90% or more. Dream Focus 02:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is there information other than plot? If all we have is plot, 90% of this should be deleted because it's redundant with the articles on the games et. al, which should already cover his role in the plot. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 03:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included on Xenosaga. Ikip (talk) 00:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep per User:MacGyverMagic and User:Dream Focus. "there's an overwhelming consensus at WP:VG to merge this sort of thing" Discussions in walled gardens should not dictate what happens throughout wikipedia. Ikip (talk) 00:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good thing WP:VG isn't a walled garden then! Groups of interested editors can make editorial decisions. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 00:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I read through WP:VG:What do we do with the video game characters? Where you wrote: "That's the kind of nonsense these awful articles attract." We have several editors known for deletion, deciding themselves what they should do with other editors contributions. Among those editors is TTN, who you wholehardly argeed with, who has been topic banned for 6 months for his deletion and merge tactics, and who has been the subject of 3 Arbitrations (the last proposed but failed). TTN once wrote: "I'm just sticking with picking off smaller ones, and then trying to tackle larger ones every once and a while. Once the weaklings are fully gone, it'll probably get easier to deal with the larger ones."[1] this seems to be the strategy of many of these editors who delete other editors contributions.

Discussing the deletion of other editors contributions, with other editors whose behavior has been sanctioned, with no RfC, no straw polls, is hardly "overwhelming consensus". Ikip (talk) 01:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"TTN agrees with this argument, and TTN is bad, so this argument is bad, and anyone who agrees with it is an evil deletionist" isn't very good even by the very low standard of argumentation on AFD. If you don't like WP:VGSCOPE, I suggest you bring it up at WT:VG, where you are as welcome as any editor. I recommend that you have a better argument than this one, or you'll wear out that welcome in a hurry. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 01:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

cf reductio ad Hitlerum, or shall I coin reductio ad TTNium? MuZemike 01:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to the appropriate character pages. No need to remove the edit histories from Wikipedia. — Deckill er 02:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, or Merge into Xenosaga characters article if ALL of it can be saved. Spinach Monster (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.