The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Also note: poorly sourced article on living person & WP:AUTO problems. —Centrx→talk • 20:59, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Abe Tran (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Non-notable reality show contestant. Who cares what fan clubs he is a member of? Corvus cornix 23:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• No vote yet The article does make a couple of claims that sound like they might be notable (in particular, being "World Champion in the American Taekwondo Association,") If sources can be found to back these up, it might be a keep, if not, delete as unverifiable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - No assertion of notablity.--Bryson^{{Talk}{Edits}} 02:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Numerous links within the page point to different articles that also mention him as World Champion in the American Taekwondo Association, particularly the article in the ATA World Magazine and the bio found on the MTV2 page for the Final Fu show. Further, he was recently featured on the cover of ATA World Magazine. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TKDchampXI (talk • contribs) 06:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC).— User:TKDchampXI (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Comment User:TKDChampXI is the subject of the article. EliminatorJR ^Talk 14:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, new sources have been added to further verify information. Sentences concerning fan clubs and nicknames should be deleted User:TKDchampXI

• KEEP - I created this article originally. Considering Abe Tran was just on the cover of ATA World Magazine and wikipedia lists the American Taekwondo Association as one of the largest martial arts organizations in the US and worldwide, Abe Tran is at least a celebrity within that large circle of martial arts practicioners. Furthermore, he is a Head Coach of the Rutgers University Taekwondo Team. - Brett Yates - bay8s— User:bay8s (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• STRONG KEEP - Page has been reformatted. As of April 6, 2007, Abe Tran is also a new member of ATA's prestigious World Demo Team. -- R. Rendeiro - Red eyed dream (talk— User:Red eyed dream (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Quarl ^(talk) 09:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete unless better claims of notability are produced. At the moment there is nothing much here that many other talented martial artists can claim. The ATA cover, incidentally, was based on his appearance in Final Fu. (Without invoking some sort of reverse WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument, not even the winners of that show have articles). EliminatorJR ^Talk 14:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• CommentTo me this hinges on the validity of the world championship claim as competing at the highest level is notable. There appears to be some thought that ATA is bogus in some respects, which lessens the importance of the championship title. I know nothing about TKD and so cannot say but it seems the real question that needs to be answered, without that, not notable. Please don't bother disputing my statement about ATA here, unless you can point to some other independent body that validates their reputation. This is just a comment FWIW. --killing sparrows 01:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Article has been extensively vandalised and badly reverted - I think I've fixed it now. EliminatorJR ^Talk 14:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• delete Mukadderat 17:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.