The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Core desat 05:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

APbyAS[edit]

not notable, Google search returns 1830 results Yonatanh 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I had proded this & prod was rmed without comment or improvement. Ditto for PMbyAS and MFbyAS, which I think could be added to this deletion discussion --Karnesky 02:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I couldn't find anything useful among the google results, nor among google news. I don't believe that it is contained in any linux distributions either. Non-notable. --Sopoforic 02:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable WP:N WP:WEB. I don't know what this is meant to be: "italian web based process reengineering support"--Dacium 03:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The two paragraphs are actually a copyvio of this site[1]. So marked for copyvio. SkierRMH 07:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.Clear copyright infringement, and also no assertion of notablity per WP:CORP. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from the author (sorry for my poor english)

"non notable" why ? what is the measure ?
"not contained in a linux distribution" ? every open source software must be contained in a distro ?
"italian web based process reenginering support" means that this software is specially indicated to help in the process analisys and the natural language is italian. Can a foss (free open source software) be only in italian ?
"the two paragraphs ar actually a copyvio ...." why, if i am the owner / admistrator of all in http://sourceforge.net/projects/apbyas/ ?
you can view on my site [2] (in italian, sorry).
May be I must include something other than the Creative Common Some Right Reserved ? Or I must write esplicit declaration to Wikipedia ? Tell me how.
I am also the owner of PMbyAS and MFbyAS that and are in the same condition
User:Avesan 12:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)Alberto Santoro[reply]

Declined speedy as there's an assertion to permission here. That said, permission would still need to be sent to the foundation if this is kept. I think that's unlikely because I agree it's not notable (it's barely asserted). Notability is a nebulous concept that relates to a product, company, or web contents importance or newsworthiness. I'm not sure how to assess notability of this article, but I think our guidelines for software, web content, or notability generally would apply (WP:SOFTWARE, WP:WEB, WP:N). The general guideline is news or other non-trivial coverage, and it doesn't appear that this has gotten any coverage from a newspaper or another reliable information source. Avesan, please reply here or contact me on my talk page if you're still confused. Your English is better than my Italian, but I'm a TEFL teacher, so I'm used to explaining things in simpler terms to my students. Se hai una domanda, dimmi.--Kchase T 13:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete notability problems. JCO312 14:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Questions (and answers) from the author about notability The subject is free software. Well. I think that a voice about a free software product is always notable, due the nature of the subject! I can't find difference, for example, between WebErp and APbyAS or PMbyAS, or MFbyAS, unless the ranking in SourceForce or Freshmeat. The publication on Wikipedia is unavoidablement publicity and promotion. And then all product of this type have rights. This is my conviction (and the rest of the world of the free software). Try to ask to Free Software Foundation. (italian) Stiamo parlando di software libero. Ebbene, Secondo me una voce su un prodotto di software libero è sempre degna di nota, data la natura stessa dell'oggetto. Io non vedo differenze, ad esempio tra WebErp e APbyAS, o PMbyAS o MFbyAS, a parte il ranking di SourceForge o Freshmeat. La pubblicazione di una voce su Wikipedia è inevitabilmente pubblicità e promozione. E allora tutti i prodotti del tipo software libero ne hanno diritto. Questa è la mia convinzione (e del resto del mondo del software libero). Provate a chiedere alla Free Software Foundation. Avesan 17:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)Alberto Santoro[reply]

I think that a couple of your questions above were directed at me, so I'll try to answer. We determine notability by out notability guideline for software. One of the things that can make something notable is being included in a major operating system distribution, because then presumably many people will be aware of it. And one piece of software having an article doesn't guarantee that a similar piece of software will have an article: we judge each article independently, on its own merits. If certain other software packages aren't notable under our guidelines, it's likely that they'll be nominated for deletion as well, in time. --Sopoforic 00:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Soporific, but I disagree, not for you :-), but for the terms espressed in the guidelines. First: the distros contains personal, desktop, technical solutions and similar. Distros never include business, ERP, groupware, and similar for a number of "notable" reasons. Second: Debian Popular Context is not neutral, but sectarian. It is strong dipendent at the type of language and OS used (Linux obviously) and forget (or reject), for example, solution in MySql, Php, Apache. Tird: I come back to my first reason: Software is a thing, free software is another thing, very different, that have the right to a specific treatement. ..... Escuse me, but I am a 65 years old man with over 40 years of experience in information thecnology and i am in the abit to tell what I think (unfortunately in italian, because for the english I need alwais my dictionary near to me). Conclusion For me the solution is an alternative: a) to include all of the free software of wich we have notice, whith the respect of other guidelines; b) to esclude all. And if you decide to esclude APbyAS, don't worry, it is wrong, but I survive :-)) Avesan 14:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)Alberto Santoro[reply]

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