The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus, default to keep. Hey, I used to visit this site. Hyatte was funny. Proto///type 11:42, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

411mania[edit]

Not overly notable website. I couldn't find any reputable sources and there aren't really any cited exactly. This all seems to be original research to me. Delete. Wickethewok 21:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Keep This reads like an advertisement, but it apparently is well-known across the web. for a non-notable website. joturner 22:19, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It seems notable and has been around for 10 years. Wikibout-Talk to me! 23:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• BBN.com has been around for over twenty-one years, being the second-oldest website on the Internet. The entire company, which has been around for 58 years, has an article shorter than that for 411mania. joturner 01:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Alexa rank of 23000. Viridae 00:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Nine unique Google hits result from a search for 411mania. joturner 01:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC) Hmm... that must have been a strange glitch when I did the Google search originally; I thought that was a bit odd when only nine links total showed up, but the top-right corner said 1-9 of 367,000 results. In fact, 393,000 Google hits show up. joturner 01:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep: It is one of the more notable wrestling sites. However, I just worry that an article will be started for almost every website, message board, and chatroom. But, there is also the "Pokemon argument."MrMurph101 03:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: the two most notable wrestling publications, the wrestling observer newsletter and figure 4 weekly both neither have their own wikipedia article. The website spin offs of both are more notable yet it gets by on simply being listed at the authors of boths wikipedia pages (Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez respectively). I don't see why what seems to be an advertisement for 411mania gets a pass while Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/TheSmartMarks.com didn't.
• Keep: Just because certain things don't have an article yet (or a "more important" site has a shorter one) isn't a reason to delete this one. The site is much weaker since several key figures split to form InsidePulse.com, but I wouldn't say it shouldn't have an article. --TheTruthiness 09:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Just to point out something that can be verified easily, 411 does roughly five times the traffic that InsidePulse does. The sites aren't really on the same level. A quick look at the Alexa rankings show that InsidePulse's ranking is 82,447, far from noteworthy. Their one week average is 83,357. 411mania's ranking is 23,016 and one week average is 19,600. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.217.92 (talk • contribs)
• Delete per nom. TheRingess 19:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as a marginally notable subject with an article that reads as an ad. -Fsotrain09 20:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong delete; 411Mania is a commercial rumour mill. Virtually all their news is lifted from Wade Keller or Dave Meltzer. McPhail 18:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Both Meltzer and Keller work with 411 in some ways and they all have good relationships so I dunno if "lifting" is the right word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.217.92 (talk • contribs)
• Comment What does thesmartmarks.com not being allowed have anything to do with 411mania? thesmartmarks.com is a tiny site ranked 81,386 on Alexa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.217.92 (talk • contribs)
• Keep. It's the 2nd highest rated wrestling website behind wwe.com. Trying to delete is obviously some type of odd personal vendetta or over moderation. Unless someone has a 411mania brand of potato chips, in which case I'd see the point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.236.31.17 (talk • contribs)
  • Comment as you are not a registered user, your vote does not count in this matter. Viridae 06:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I understand you guys are new, but could you please sign your posts using 4 tildas? Wickethewok 05:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.