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The result was delete. X clamation point 04:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3D Solar[edit]

Prod'd once by myself on the grounds of WP:N and WP:V; sources have improved a bit since then, but also underwent Speedy G11/A7. Since I believe the 2005 IST Prize is some indication of importance I've brought it here for discussion instead. Marasmusine (talk) 15:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete While this is not a candidate for speedy deletion due to the claims of notability made in the article, the company does not pass WP:N or WP:CORP. There is a single independent source in the article, and that is the only one I can find. 3D Solar search returns mostly a new type of solar panel, not related to the company. Searching for 3D Solar + the owner's name returns wikipedia and wikipedia mirror hits, the 3D solar web page and a number of press releases. No indication of notability, but that doesn't mean in the next few years the company won't make a name for themselves. Patents simply do not confer notability on their own, as they are essentially a primary source. Theseeker4 (talk) 15:35, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability:

The IST prize was presented by: Dr Heinz Fisher, Federal president of the Republic of Austria Mrs Viviane Reding member of the European Comission Mr Hubert Gorbach, vice Chancellor of the Republic of Austria and Minister of Innovation and Technology Prof Herbert Mang, president of the Austrian Academy of Science

3D Solar presentation went infront of the Jury of the 18 European Academy of Sciences at the Charlemagne Building in Brussels which houses offices of the European Commission.

The European IST Prize is organized by the European Council of Applied Sciences, Technologies and Engineering (Euro-CASE). It is the most distinguished award for innovative products that represent the best of European innovation in information and communication technologies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.64.15 (talk) 08:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Another source:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/3d-04f.html "Additionally, on May 14, 2004, a 3Dsolar prototype was presented to the French Minister of Research, Mr. Francois d'Aubert and former Minister of Finance, Mr. Arthuis, both of whom were very impressed with the product." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.64.15 (talk) 09:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally we need coverage that isn't a press release. Marasmusine (talk) 10:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage by Peter Cohen, MacCentral http://www.macworld.com/article/39714/2004/10/3dsolar.html (talk) 09:29, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's still information fed by the company. Marasmusine (talk) 11:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Journalists always feed articles with information from different sources, it's a normal process, but this article is not a press release, it's not written by anyone who works for or with the company (3D Solar) or its software. This article is third party, neutral coverage and it is signed by the author, Peter Cohen, who is a well known and respected journalist still working for Macworld (PCExpert)

To reiterate, Peter Cohen or MacCentral and 3D Solar are independent and not affiliated in any way. This is a neutral, non biased source of information.

Wiki notability guidelines (source): "*Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject including (but not limited to): self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, autobiographies, press releases..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.64.15 (talk) 16:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's reiterating a company announcement, as stated in his first sentence. There's no substantial commentry. At the time of writing, he hadn't even seen the product. If he went to the Innovact conference and wrote about it after he seeing it, that might be more interesting. Marasmusine (talk) 18:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

3D Solar it's also TronMe and the media player (interactive music) The coverage from Lucas Artigas (Brothersoft) can't be done without trying the product. http://www.brothersoft.com/blog/2008/10/23/express-your-artistic-aspirations-with-an-innovative-interactive-media-player/

3D Solar claim more than 20.000 users so far for the beta version since mid September —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.64.15 (talk) 21:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite 10:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This [1] tells me that we can't accept BrotherSoft as a WP:Reliable source. Marasmusine (talk) 10:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brothersoft is the second download site after download.com, this page[2] is just a teaser, Brothersoft pay independent journalist to do an editorial review if they think the soft meet the editorial criteria of novelty, quality etc...

Brothersoft has more than 150.000 software in store and around 10 editorial review per week and usually very short ones not like Tronme.

"BroherSoft.com is not only a website for downloading software. We also evaluate the all the developer submitted software based on our established evaluation criteria. We also give all the software developers an honest opinion. The reason we provide the software developer with our honest opinion is so that the developer may provide more appealing and function products in the future. "*[3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.64.15 (talk) 10:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Donwload.com can do an editorial review if the publisher pay for it 900$ so i'm not sure it would be objective, Brothersoft.com pay for the review so they are independant from the publisher and so objective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.64.15 (talk) 11:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting PR maybe we should update the Tronme paragraph ? http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/081209/20081209005553.html?.v=1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.64.15 (talk) 16:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 02:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet the notability threshold per guidelines. No substantial independent news coverage.ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meet the notability threshold per guidelines. WP:N The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources. 18 academies of science have reviewed the technology and presented the ICT prize since the quality of the source can't have a higher grade for such technology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliverscat (talk • contribs) 12:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as the prize is not notable, and it is hard to infer notability in the absence of reliable secondary sources. I agree with ChildofMidnight that notability has not been established for the company; the content of the article seems to be focused on its products, but coverage of the company is thin to say the least.--Gavin Collins (talk) 14:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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