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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 18:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2018 German government crisis[edit]

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Wikipedia is not supposed to be a newspaper, and all the political issues mentioned in this article are covered perfectly better in other articles. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:26, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not so sure - it can have non-news aspects, and there is sufficient coverage (and vastly more) to let it do so. It does however need a new name - this one wouldn't help anyone either know what it means or find the article. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If someone can pin the topic as something other than everything the German government is having a problem with in 2018 that would be great. Right now I just see some unnecessary detail related to the European migrant crisis. That is not a good topic, that is news. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:34, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Talk:European_migrant_crisis#Merger_proposal and European migrant crisis (Finland), there could be room for a topic called European migrant crisis (Germany). Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep Defective and unjustified nomination, absolutely no guideline is saying this. This article is extremely well sourced by many, many international WP:RS. This nomination sounds more like a dispute over disliked page content. And obviously no alternatives were considered by the nominator. And regarding the name, there may be redirects established, but it is definitely a government crisis and called this way by lots of sources.--Greywin (talk) 17:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I do like the page content, it is the topic is wrong and that cannot be fixed without making the topic different or deleting the topic and adding the content to a different topic, which is what I am proposing initially. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:42, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Greywin I disagree with their judgement, but to preempt their response, the policy that may apply would be WP:NOT, specifically WP:NOTNEWS. Strict sourcing wasn't stated by nom. Sourcing quality, especially analysis beyond reporting, allows the article to include non-news aspects. Nosebagbear (talk) 17:44, 1 July 2018 (UTC) [n.b. edit clash, this comment does not respond to Frayae's comment - and apologies for pinging the wrong person!][reply]

Well on that basis the best thing to do would be to stop this discussion to delete the topic and start the discussion to rename the topic, but I don't know how to do that. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:48, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And in case it is not clear this is nothing to do with sourcing or notability, I don't doubt that the German government is reliably reported as having crisis, I can't see the encyclopedic value of putting all issues for a year in an article, that is running commentary based on date, because all crisis right now were also crisis in 2017, and 2016 and before... Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:52, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the nom does not mention why the topic should be "wrong" - and why this should be a reason to delete the article. This nomination is completely incomprehensible, as the article is much better sourced than a high percentage of comparable articles, so WP:NOTNEWS does in no way apply. But right now the nominator obviously admits that the nomination is the wrong instrument, so it is to be withdrawn and a renaming discussion can be started on the talk page.--Greywin (talk) 17:55, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes this nomination is withdrawn with rename discussion requested, but twinkle tool has no button to do withdraw, someone who knows how should be found to help. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:57, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I don't know it either, but there are hopefully more experienced users around.--Greywin (talk) 18:03, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I found instructions on how to close it. And posted on the talk page instead. Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 18:12, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.