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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:27, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1985 Azteca 2000 Tournament[edit]

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Unreferenced, does not explain why this event meets WP:GNG. My BEFORE shows some passing mentions but nothing that would help to show how this was significant. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football, Germany, England, and Mexico. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:37, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's likely that newspaper articles could be found if anyone has access to the proper databases (and languages), but as an alternative to deletion Merge both this article and 1985 Ciudad de México Cup Tournament to 1986 FIFA World Cup for which these were preparatory events. Jahaza (talk) 17:37, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming sources are found to confirm they were prep events, sure. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:46, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The games in Mexico City got a lot of coverage, because Italy and England faced off in the immediate aftermath of the Heysel Stadium disaster.

European Stars and Stripes, 9 June 1985, pg. 24-25, "Brazil, Iraq, Costa Rica remain in World Cup Race," by AP:

"Aztec Stadium is going through a World Cup rehearsal with a two-week series of soccer matches among Italy, Mexico, West Germany, and England through June 15.

"Italy defeated England, 2-1, last Thursday amid a wave of concern about crowd violence at soccer matches. Thirty-eight spectators, mostly Italian, died May 29 in rioting at the European Cup Club Championship between Liverpool and Juventus of Turin in Brussels.

"Eight Mexican fans died May 26 at Aztec Stadium when the crowd stampeded at the National League championship match. The biggest disaster occurred May 11 in Bradford, England, when the soccer stadium caught fire, causing more than 50 deaths.

"Yet Mexican soccer officials, immersed in the complex preparations for the mammoth 1986 event, say they are convinced Mexican fans will not pose any problems. Mexico hosted the 1970 World Cup and it is remembered as a joyous sports festival."[1]

Also: Jones, Stuart. "Football: Francis Worried About Safety Of Family." Times, 1 June 1985, p. 32. The Times Digital Archive.[2]. There's several articles just in the UK Times about this trip.

Reuters, "Soccer Security Tight" 7 June, 1985 [3]

Vince Leah, "'Kaiser Franz' throws water on hopes," Winnipeg Free Press, 23 June 1985, "Off to Mexico [Germany] went for a pre-World Cup festival and were well-beaten by an English team which had shown little in recent outings.

"Then Mexico made Beckenbauer sound like a prophet... England went on to lose both to Italy and Mexico in this event..." etc.[4]

I haven't even looked at German, Italian, or Mexican newspapers. Jahaza (talk) 03:11, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good finds. For now I think we have enough to say redirect and mention this event there, unless there's content there to improve this article? Unfortunately, right now, "Azteca 2000" is not mentioned at 1986 FIFA World Cup at all... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:59, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], mention in a book. Come on now, there are loads of hits, more than this. I can't be bothered to put them all down. There are probably newspaper archives I haven't looked at. Sorry, but if I found all of that in 10 min then your WP:BEFORE sucks, if I had a good hour I'd post everything I found. There seems to be a lot of different sources, some talking historically about the tourney, others talking about match histories and history to Mexico 86 World Cup. There is enough to easily pass GNG (WP:BASIC). @GiantSnowman: please, don't count your chickens!! :/ (edit: Not to mention you said Unreferenced in your nomination, however there are three external links to YouTube in the report section you have ignored, those count towards notability also. ) Govvy (talk) 09:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say it was unreferenced! If you expand the article please ping me and I'll re-review. Giant Snowman 18:04, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Analysis of the proposed sources would be quite helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 05:30, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge as above - the article as it exists is horrible but it's definitely a notable topic based on the sources presented here (though not all of the sources definitively show notability). Also would have appeared in Mexican newspapers, not currently listed here... SportingFlyer T·C 13:00, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per reasons given above. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 15:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, Per above. Clearly notable tourmament with many sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 17:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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