The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete --JForget 00:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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What is this piece of info?? Nobody understands this title. Georgia guy (talk) 01:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename and Cleanup: I'm assuming this is an episode list for Sesame Street. Granted it's horribly written and improperly named but that could be fixed. I can't find another Sesame Street episode list. -- Redfarmer (talk) 02:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Incomplete, unreferenced, and poorly written. If someone writes a proper Sesame Street episode list at a sane title like List of Sesame Street episodes (currently a redirect to Sesame Street), that can be considered separately, but I wouldn't necessarily support such a list either. Superm401 - Talk 02:33, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Here's what I started typing: (Weak Keep with Rename Gut reaction was delete, but then I thought it might have a certain usefulness) then I stopped, because that usefulness would require an episode summary for each, and some sort of searchability, and... far too difficult. I guess my gut had the right idea. Ψν^Psi_nu 03:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Its sesame Street all right, but the title and majority of the "article" seems to say otherwise. Tavix (talk) 05:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - This must be a mistake of some kind? LonelyBeacon (talk) 05:30, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete even if this was well written, I don't really see a need for a list of Sesame Street episodes, they basically just reuse the same things over and over again with some minor storyline edited in. Ridernyc (talk) 06:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Well, this is pretty bizarre. Alloranleon (talk) 08:26, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, dear God, is that a list of Sesame Street episodes? Now I've seen everything. Lankiveil (talk) 11:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC).[reply]
• Delete, per all, especially Ridernyc Doc Strange (talk) 12:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete, though I believe that a properly written and referenced article could exist listing the episodes of what is obviously a notable show. I'm concerned about Biting a contributor whose first and only contributions have been the creation of this article. Even in its current, highly incomplete, state, it surely took some time to put together 66k of formatting and what little information is in place. I wouldn't blink twice if I saw this in a sandbox, but it's in the article space, and should be deleted. Unless there are objections, I'm going to message the original editor and see if I can be of assistance to them. I'll also welcome them, since the user's first talk page message was the notice about this AFD. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 14:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Unreferenced. Macy's123 review me 18:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and Move to List of Sesame Street episodes. The article also needs to be cleaned up and have a lot of information added. Parts of it are already good, we should just give it time. I honestly think you are all too lazy to do that. --Pwnage8 (talk) 18:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh, absolutely. I was too lazy to even think about it. Ψν^Psi_nu 19:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Lol, yeah. There are hundreds of episodes, and writing up a summary, even brief, for all of them just isn't worth it, or practical. Simplified: nobody can be arsed to do it, least of all Pwnage8. :) Alloranleon (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Folks lets keep this above the belt, please ... calling editors "lazy" is not very constructive in this debate. LonelyBeacon (talk) 21:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• RE above I, for one, was joking. As for Pwnage8, I think he was just sharing some good-natured sarcasm with us all. <:) Still, covering each others backs aside, the article just isn't worth it... Alloranleon (talk) 22:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Move per Pwnage, but WP:DAFT the current title - it's a doozy! Grutness...wha? 00:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete A1 no context (although I'm not so sure about that, because it's not a short article.). Delete anyway - it has no context whatsoever, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of info.-h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 04:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Userfy to whomever created it. Obviously it looks like a work in progress that through error was released into the wild. Sesame Street is a notable enough series to warrant an episode list article (albeit it'll be gigantic and will probably have to be split up into decades), but right now this looks like a personal project. Maybe check the Muppet wiki to see if there's a more complete version that can be imported? 23skidoo (talk) 20:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, hopeless. Doctorfluffy (talk) 18:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and Move to List of Sesame Street episodes or Userfy until it looks good enough to move. --Pixelface (talk) 15:34, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, lacks context or any real useful or notable content. The edtor who created most likely clicked the list of episodes link in the main article, which was inappropriately set to (see list of episodes). Being a new editor, he didn't realize the article name was all messed up (guessing). The editor also hasn't touched it since starting it or done any other editing other than the two he made here, so it is doubtful userfing would help. There was a List of Sesame Street episodes which redirects to the main article and appears to be the remnants of an attempt to do an episode list by season that failed. Not sure what value a list of Sesame Street episodes would have. While many TV shows articles benefit from episode lists, for some show formats it just doesn't make much sense and I think Sesame Street would be one of those.AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • For some show formats it just doesn't make sense? So there are just too many episodes of this non-notable show? 38 seasons is too many for a list? Doctor Who started in 1963 and 738 episodes have aired as of December 25, 2007 — see List of Doctor Who serials. Sesame Street started in 1969 and over 4,000 episodes have aired. Why have List of Doctor Who serials and not List of Sesame Street episodes? List of Trinity Blood episodes lists a mere 24 episodes. I see no reason why there shouldn't be a List of Sesame Street episodes article. This article just needs to be moved. --Pixelface (talk) 07:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Don't be obtuse. I would think you would understand that by show format, period, I meant the type of show that it is. Doctor Who and Trinity Blood are fictional series whose episodes have a story line to summarize. Sesame Street does not. News programs generally don't need an episode list, nor would such lists make any kind of sense. Only a few game shows have a format that warrant one either. If you want to go through and find the information and do the episode summaries for all 4000 episodes, have the article userfied to your page and built it there. This article adds nothing at all and most of the episode titles listed are wrong. From what I saw, someone tried and gave up realizing the insanity of it. It would take a task force or project to do such a thing. If it were going to be attempted, this article would not make a good starting point at all. AnmaFinotera (talk) 13:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • While you're probably right, I'll note that there is some notability for individual episodes of the show. Particularly, several episodes have had high profile guest stars who recieved some press coverage for their appearance. It might be worthwhile to note those appearances. But note my comments above, this article isn't (yet) fit for the mainspace, and needs to be deleted or userfied. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 13:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. —AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - to be honest, after a quick scout around I haven't found anywhere reliable where you could actually find a plot synopsis for each episode, and while the episode titles may be available, I doubt they would provide any useful meaning to this page. The suggestion of perhaps listing only notable articles (for example, such as those with celebs in) is a good one, but I don't think an article like this in it's current format serves any useful place on wikipedia. Kavanagh21 (talk) 16:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I'm not going to pontificate. It's an unnecessary list which cannot be made complete and does not need to be hosted on Wikipedia. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 16:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete If the evolution of the plot/characters on Sesame Street is really needed, at worst a season-by-season approach would be good, better would be "eras" (not as simple as pre-Elmo and post-Elmo, but one gets the idea). Due to the nature of the show, there should never be a comprehensive list of SS episodes on WP. That's a off-site wiki material but way too much trivial details. --MASEM 17:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Moved page to List of Sesame Street (TV series) episodes. Nevertheless Delete unles it is planned better.--Hiltonhampton (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.