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This is the August 2006 archive of Martin Walker's talk page.
Saw you message on fact and reference check. You may be interested in m:Wikicite. There's no code that I know of but many good ideas including allowing users to comment on the veracity of each citation. Multiple verified citations could conceivable bring our average information quality out of the cellar. - Taxman Talk 23:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering if you could take a "sneak preview" look at the worklist/assessment I'm creating for the Anglicanism project at User:Wine Guy/Sandbox. I'll be "going public" with this within the next day or two, and any feedback you can offer would be helpful. In particular, if your first reaction is "No! That's useless!", I would be happy to hear that before I move it into the project space. Thanks for your help. --Wine Guy Talk 01:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Martin. If you have the time and inclination, would you take a look at Wikipedia:Core biographies. I think it could use more scientists. Thanks. Maurreen 17:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, you just mentioned (in your excellent talk) that you ought do some work on the Chemistry article, after all your work on Gold(III) chloride....
Thanks for your work on the 'pedia and at Wikimania!
BCorr|Брайен 19:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Glad to hear everything went well. I left a couple of comments at Wikipedia talk:Pushing to validation about the things that were discussed there; but how was everything else? Hopefully the attendees were at least aware of Mathbot and the 1.0 assessment projects, and you received some feedback about things to do... are there going to be more talks about this by other speakers? Titoxd(?!?) 05:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
You showed support for Amazon rainforest at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Core topics/Core topics COTF. This article was selected as our collaboration. Hope you can help. |
Maurreen 20:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Martin- sorry for not responding sooner. I am mostly on the Meta site these days and though I usually visit Wikipedia at least a couple times a week the previous week was particularly bad for me so I didn't see your message until today. I was actually supposed to present a poster at this year's Wikimania, but had to suddenly cancel my plans for going to Boston, and so unfortunately did not get a chance to see your panel. I will definitely listen to the audio archive of it, though!
Anyway, regarding the status of Wikicite- parts of the software are alread functional, including changes to the Cite extension to make use of Wikicat's data import function. Here is a screenshot of live software, showing how bibliographic information is pulled based upon a key like ISBN number. There is actually not too much to be done, software-wise, before this can be rolled-out on Wikipedia. The real effort is making sure that the bibliographic catalog portion of the project- Wikicat- is designed correctly, which requires thoroughly researching the professional cataloging standards out there.
I announced the first phase of the project- the bibliographic catalog- on the foundation list about a week ago and though the reponse was fairly positive, I would appreciate it if you could help drum up "grass roots" support on the encyclopedia to help push this through (it seems like there's an official non-offical policy of rejecting any new project proposals at this point). The endoresement of a Wikiproject group would be especially valuable. BTW- an essential component of Wikipedia 1.0- stable version designation- is ready to be rolled-out so there's something else to lobby for.
Jleybov 23:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Martin- I took a look at Wikipedia:Pushing to validation and will post my comments there shortly. The feature you mentioned, about being able to follow a cited fact to its source, is something that definitely can be supported, and in fact I eventually envision the ability to do detailed source reviews by mapping the authority relationships within a literature. Thus the reader will be able to follow a fact to its source with a click, and then see the standing of that source within its scholarly literature based upon how many positive as well as negative references to it there are. If the work looks to be of questionable repute, they can then use the citation map to find something more reliable, and then use that work as the basis by which to improve the article. I was thinking fact checking should be done in parallel by many users, though, rather than one. And so instead of seeing "User:Joe checked this fact in the 'Journal of Useless Facts'...", they would see aggregate results like "this reference to the 'Journal of Useless Facts' was deemed Accurate by 43 users (see list), Misleading by 1 user, Fabricated by 0 users, and 7 users (see list) Did Not Know". But in any case there will be lots of ways to visualize the reference and citation data captured in Wikicat/Wikicite, and I think we should be bold and innovative and explore new approaches instead of just trying to replicate the standard, ho-hum footnote.
Jleybov 01:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Please have a look at Template talk:Vegetable oils and write your opinion about including essential oils in Template:Vegetable oils. Thanks, Cacycle 02:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Please have a look at that. Maybe it is a better way to include them. I'll continue thiw kind of work step by step. Deadline is coming and I want to finish this project in time. What do you think? NCurse work 10:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
This is a situation I haven't come across before in a GA candidate. This article has several bits like "Henryk Jankowski" with an external jump immediately after it to a Polish web page needing translation. What should I do with this? See discussion on it's talk page too. Please leave answer here on your page.Rlevse 02:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I have searched all over for info. on school counselors or related occupations in other countries. I have am a school counselor, and I have all kinds of books on school counselor. I've tried to get others from other countries to peer review it. It's hard to find bilingual educators that are willing to help with the article. School counselors carry the role of career advisor and academic advisor in American secondary schools. In grades prek-8th, elemetnary and middle school, they funcution as mental health counselors. I don't know if the UK school employs such people. I was able to find Korean information on the topic.whicky1978 talk 21:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. Does wikipedia have a way that will help an article get the attention of bilingual people? I think there needs to be a page for this, and a way to tag it. Maybe the tag you listed would work. School counseling is an expansion of career counselor position--as it developed in the US. Career education/counseling seems to be mainly American in origin. Most of the thoeriest that I have seen to be Amerian. I plan to write articles on these people. However, it may be that school counselor is primarily an American occupation.whicky1978 talk 22:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your thank you. :) Do we finish now V0.5? What about FA reviews? When will we start V0.1? NCurse work 08:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Are we on for a physical production of a static version in Oct? Would you like an sos v2 (5000 articles including yours) a v0.5 (just your chosen articles) or both? Do your approval guidelines include checking image copyrights? --BozMo talk 08:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi :-) I noticed you evaluated 20 (or so) articles under the chemistry subtopic "Lab techniques and analytical methods" under Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry/Worklist on April 26, 2006. At about that time, I was expanding "Laboratory glassware" from a stubby article to a full length article including adding 6 images, 4 of which I made. At the end of this article, there is a list of laboratory glassware, the majority of which have their own separate articles. I wrote the article to cover aspects of lab glassware that may be in common to multiple glassware items, and let the separate articles cover the individual glassware items themselves separately, but I covered a couple items without their own separate articles.
I also noticed the "Melting point test" seemed to be a red (not yet written) link in the "Lab techniques and analytical methods" list of articles. I added "Laboratory glassware", a rather well-developed article by now, as a potential replacement for it. Since you did the assessments in this list, would you care to take a look at "Laboratory glassware" as a possible addition or replacement and perhaps assess it. H Padleckas 16:03, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I read the notice you put on our talk page and am interested in helping. How should I start? Masterhomer 03:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Certain high quality articles such as Jew (GA) and Kibbutz (FA) are beyond the scope of WikiProject Judaism, which only deals with the religion Judaism and not the culture or history. How should I handle these? Masterhomer 06:22, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Martin.
You showed support for Amazon rainforest at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Core topics/Core topics COTF. This article was selected as our collaboration. Hope you can help. |
I think it would be easier to use a bot + a script. The script would create a "rate" tab on each article and post the rating to a user subpage. The bot would look at the ratings on the user subpage and get the final rating somehow. This way, we don't have to wait for the developers to make changes to the software because the bot can be run by one user and the scripts can be posted on the scripts page. We could make the script more well known by posting it on the village pump. The bot doesn't need to be well known because only a single user has to run it. Eyu100 23:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
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Something that just ocurred to me: are isotope articles (e.g. Uranium-238) part of the Elements WikiProject, or another project? Kirill Lokshin 03:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Could we keep the wikisort discussion here? You check it frequently, unlike my talk page. I posted a new message on my talk page. Eyu100 05:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Martin. I'm sorry I have been somewhat MIA as of late, but meatspace has become quite busy, leaving almost no time for on-Wiki work for me. My school schedule is insane (every Wednesday I spend more than 12 hours at school alone!) and homework has picked up, as well as other personal things I have had to attend to. However, I will take a look and try to leave some comments about it. Titoxd(?!?) 05:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I've tried to explain your post here: Talk:Bhutan#Can someone clarify this?. Hope it makes sense. PS Nice to page you after our meet in wikimaia. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Gday! Thanks for offering to assist in setting up an assessment of WikiProject Seventh-day Adventist Church articles. Your offer is much appreciated. I have followed your suggestions and started the process whereby the bot can process the assessment of the project's articles. However, I have become stuck in the process of developing a template for the purpose. I have created the template, Template:WP Adventist in the hope of making the assessment procedure an easy work flow. However, I believe that it needs code tidying, and I am unsure what to do with the red links it creates. Any assistance you could offer would be most appreciated. Thank you. MyNameIsNotBob 06:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Two questions come to mind. In the event that it does seem that a given project may be inactive, but that at least some of the more significant individuals involved in a project are not, would it be at all acceptable to contact them individually? Also, when dealing with those projects which are active but have yet to respond, would it be acceptable to add to the content of the comment something to the effect that this same information could be used by the WikiProject Council to help these projects improve those important articles which fall within their scope which might seem to benefit from the additional efforts of at least one other project? It seems to me that this latter point might help to get a response in some cases, but I'm not sure of protocols in a matter like this. Badbilltucker 20:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for rating the Regis Philbin article as a B and close to an A. I contributed a lot to the article and I'm happy it received compliments. But if you have time, can you provide comments to improve the page, and if you'd recommend it as a Good Article? Thanks so much. Tinlinkin 09:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll try, I already placed 2 key baseball biographys with ok quality in there, skipping the nom process if that was ok. I'll try to work on adding the key sports articles. I have some extra time in my hands because of Hurricane Ernesto. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 21:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm a bit relutlent to add Donald Bradman to the 0.5 for obvious lack of refs though. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 01:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I added Bradman, along with an cricket list, I'm not sure if I should nominate Brian Lara another cricket great I heard of, lack of refs. Also can u try to check on Jack Tatum or Ryan Leaf today. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 21:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
No prob. Will work on it tonight. -Runningonbrains 01:11, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, so there was a cd of 2000 english articles released?100110100 04:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
@What's this about a cd of 2000 english articles released?100110100 09:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. Since you've taken the time and trouble to support my FA nomination for The KLF's ***K the Millennium, I'd like to ask your advice about which - if any - of the following articles I should nominate for FA next. If on the other hand you think none of them are up to par, please say so!
Since my cohort Vinoir is on an indefinite wikibreak, I'm just looking for a little guidance as of course to me all 3 are great! ;) Please reply on my talk page or at WP:KLF. Thanks! --kingboyk 09:56, 31 August 2006 (UTC)