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A tag has been placed on The Great Banquet requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words.
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I might just quickly add that your content was not in fact a paraphrase - it was in the majority a word for word copy and actually fits more closely into the definition of plagiarism. Cheers. --VS talk 03:56, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
So, you're saying that wherever you happen to find the text first, is the owner, even if they are not the originator? The website cited as holding the copyright to the text [3] is NOT the originator or owner of the text. If we want to use the simple fact that the text is located on a copyrighted website, then I can point you to the website for my community. The text on our site was copied from Lampstand's site just like Logansport's was. Our site has a copyright at the bottom of the page too. So using the same faulty logic, we are, in fact, the copyright holder of the descriptive text (I did copy the text from our website initially). Additionally, Lampstand posted on the discussion page that they will allow the use of any of their text for the Wikipedia article. Do you refute that the text is theirs just because you found a copy of it on Logansport's site first? Logansport is NOT the owner of the text. How can Lampstand claim their true ownership, then release it for use in a Wikipedia article? Is the only way that description can be used, is to have Lampstand post the article themselves, and claim the text with the "I am the owner..." statement? Or will they be copyvio'ed for using their own text, just because Logansport (and several others) have reused their text, on copyrighted websites? Here are a few links to pages (some "copyrighted") that have the same text: [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], et.al. You are right, some of the text is, by definition, plagiarized; all these sites have plagiarized the text, with permission, from Lampstand. I really do appreciate that you are trying to defend and protect intellectual copyright - that is important, commendable, ethical, and legal. But the method used (first place you happen to find it) to "protect" it, in this case, is very flawed. Rmsphoto (talk) 22:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, VS, for continuing the thread. Well, those are quite some hoops to jump through... I cannot offer documented proof of law. One cannot create a historical log of the web server time-stamps and archives from the past many years to prove such a thing. But it is certainly implicit that the originator of the movement precedes the locales to which the movement spread. The discussion page for the original article (which I can no longer access) contains a statement from Lampstand Ministries giving permission to use the text from their site. I contacted Lampstand directly, asked them to register with Wikipedia, asked that they check the article for accuracy and acceptability, and provide permission to use text from their copyrighted website if they felt it appropriate; they did so on Friday afternoon - USA East time. I'm sure they would be happy to place the "I am the owner..." statement on the article if it becomes reposted - I would definitely contact them again to do so... Quick and easy original site link: http://lampstand.net/about_great_banquet.html Again, I do commend you for going to bat for intellectual property owners; I know that is a thankless job. I owned a photo lab for several years, and constantly explained (and sometimes argued) why it is not OK to copy your kids' school photos, or your best friend's wedding photos, etc. Rmsphoto (talk) 06:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
Comments left on talk page of the sandbox article.--VS talk 10:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)