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Hi Nick
Happy New Year(I know you will read this tomorrow). Can you take a look at Carthage. A user who claims to have three academic titles in history has put a NPOV tag on the article because it doesn't mention that the Romans fought fierce wars with Carthage and the Carthaginians brought them almost to their knees. I think it is enough to say that they fought wars with Syracuse and Rome and that Carthage was destroyed. However, the academic wants an administrator to remove his NPOV tag. Thank you Wandalstouring (talk) 17:37, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at RfC: Should Vietnam MIA material all be here or be located in a separate article and summarized here. Thank you. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
First, happy new year!
Second, I've raised a couple of things here which could use swift responses. May I trouble you please to check them out?
Thanks! --ROGER DAVIES talk 19:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Would you mind contributing your oar, either way, at [1]? Needs some expertise from people who have some Milhist experience who aren't me. Cheers Buckshot06(prof) 20:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks again for keeping the troops in line. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey Nick. I was roaming through the MILHIST Coord thread and saw you mention Max Hasting's Nemesis. I just got it for christmas and was about to read it - what does Hastings get so badly wrong in his chapter on Australia? Skinny87 (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Take a look here. Would I be out-of-order in suspecting that this is a unipurpose account? Cam (Chat) 23:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't want to revert it, because I've done some reverts in the past and I don't want some admin who isn't paying much attention blocking both ToTheCircus and me. That's why I brought this to ANI, because I want someone to look seriously at this and finally taken some action against this user. I've done 40,000 edits on some of the hottest topics around without ever getting blocked and I don't want to start now ... Wasted Time R (talk) 05:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Dear Nick-D. This is a WikiTrout. You have been slapped with this WikiTrout for asking another editor to Meatpuppet on your behalf, by performing edits which you should have done yourself, or waited to do. This WikiTrout is bought to you courtesy of Goldman's Pharmacy, and Thor Malmjursson (talk) 05:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC). Thank you for your attention!
For Countess, I'm agreeing with your assessment, and have categorised it as such. I think this is only the first or second pre-RAN ship to be placed in a RAN category, as most pre-RAN ships had careers of little note during this section of their histroy. Anyway, if more information comes to light that contradicts this, we can easily change it.
As for Sydney, feel free. The only local library (that I know of) that has Flying Stations is a university library, and its difficult for me to access it. -- saberwyn 06:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the thanks regarding the pics I added to the Pacific Class Patrol Boat page. And for thumbnailing my pic on the LCM-8 page. I really don't know much about formatting and codes for Wikipedia, I generally try and find a similar thing from another page and just copy the codes there so I make a lot of mistkes along the way. I have a lot of pics and things I can add to similar type pages if I have the time both to do it and learn to how to do it properley. I wish wikipedia had been around 10 years ago when I had heaps of time to learn how to add/edit properly. Whats the go with Australian Dept Defence images, I can't work out if they are allowed or not, but given the amount of pictureless ADF topics where dozens of images are on the ADF websites I assume they can't be used? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angra (talk • contribs) 06:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
G'day Nick, Found this website ([2]) which may be of help to expand your article. Some interesting statements including additional allied forces involved. Also the "Battle of the Strait of Otranto" appears to have also been an action in World War I. See [3]. Regards --Newm30 (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I noticed you'd previously blocked then extended your block. It baffles me why some people even bother signing up, given their subsequent behaviour... and even more why they keep coming back ;) EyeSerenetalk 12:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
First period of World War II, Second period of World War II, Third period of World War II - do you think these articles by Mrg3105 are notable independently, or should we just add quick notes into the main Eastern Front article? Cheers Buckshot06(prof) 22:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hi mate, I'm happy to wrap up the peer review for this so I can get the ACR under way - unless there's anything further you wanted to add? Thanks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hello Nick,
Firstly I can see you have made a marvellous contribution to Wikipedia and continue to ongoingly.
I am surprised that our well presented attempt at beginning our History for United Districts Basketball Club was deleted only day or so after I created it.
I noticed A7 as the reason attributed. I understand your concern, however give us some time and further references notability will be suitably established. I would be very appreciative if you could send me the source code for the deleted page, that I may be able to save my work and resubmit at a later date, after completing further work off-line.
Regards, Tim Muehlberg Web Manager UDBC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timothy.muehlberg (talk • contribs) 04:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. Didn't mean to upset anyone. Reverting to a previous stable state is not the same as "making changes" against consensus. Most page moves should go through the WP:RM process to make sure that the proposed change is "vetted" by a broader audience, not just those who are watching the article in question. Thanks. --Born2cycle (talk) 15:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. Many thanks for placing the article in the right place. It's all very new to me. Davshul (talk) 20:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing things yet again. Unfortunately, I think that that you (and other administrators) will be forced to keep a permanent watch on the Missing In Action article. I have just added comments to the discussion page supporting your recent action. - Nabokov (talk) 22:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Yep, it's just happened again. Thanks for fixing it. I'm sure it's abundantly clear to you by now that the almost-religious zeal of some Vietnam-MIA believers is such that they'll never give up trying to subvert the MIA article to their own narrow agenda. Give it a couple of weeks and there's sure to be another attempt. I suspect that for some people the term "MIA" is synonymous with Vietnam. In other words, any other reference to MIA which doesn't feature Vietnam in the "starring role" either simply isn't relevant, or is of merely tangential importance. Unfortunately, it's pointless trying to convince them that there's a need for balance in the article. Their beliefs are so deeply entrenched that nothing anyone says or does will ever persuade them that they are anything other than 100% right. The peculiar thing is that Vietnam-MIA believers have been given a perfectly reasonable compromise, yet that still isn't good enough for them. - Nabokov (talk) 14:17, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I've just done 2 reverts on Missing In Action. No prizes for guessing why. However, I can't keep on reverting it because of the 3-reverts rule. Please assist. - Nabokov (talk) 21:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm out of useful ideas on this one. My last post there was the most accommodating stance I could think of to take. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive504#User:ToTheCircus constantly reverting article against complete consensus of other editors is the reference for the previous WP:ANI discussion of this. I suppose it needs to be taken there again, but I'm not eager to do it myself this time. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hey, thank you for your comments. I responded with my opinions on the matter, and your opinions would be much appreciated. :) The review is located here. Thank you! JonCatalán(Talk) 17:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
...[4] regards --Merbabu (talk) 10:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. I've toned most of it out now (primarily because of TLDR syndrome;). Cam (Chat) 01:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick
There’s been a long-running dispute between an registered editor (Esemono) and an anon. I stepped in the other day saying enough and promised (naively?) to find a solution.
I don’t know much about the article content or the disputing sides - the article’s subject is/was a player in the Aceh conflict (and we think Oz Pol is controversial!). It seems that the registered editor has sought third party opinion which supported his position, and the history page suggests other editors support his position. Either way, the anon is not using talk page and reverting with misleading edit summaries. As I pointed out in the talk page, no matter the actual content of the dispute, the position of registered editor certainly seems closer to consensus, and seems to be going through the correct process – unlike the anon.
I offered a few general suggestions whereby if there was indeed conflicting reliable sources, then a way to acknowledge both would be of assistance.
Any suggestions? Semi protect? Either way, it can’t keep bouncing around like it has. If you can’t step in directly, some advice/direction would be much appreciated. Regards --Merbabu (talk) 22:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. Tom Derrick is my next target for both GAN and A-Class, then eventually FAC. :) Any further info you can add on his final battle and death would be excellent. In Robert Macklin's book Bravest: How some of Australia's war heroes won their medals, it states that it is believed Derrick deserved another VC for his actions in the battle he died, but does not have much info on why. Thanks for the gracious offer. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:22, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
P.S. Thanks for adding the photo. I intended to add one of his funeral when I got down to that section; still gotta finish the VC section yet! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I thought I'd just let you know, Nick, that I just nominated Derrick for GA. I still have further expansion planned, but I believe it is good enough for GA in it's current form and thought I'll get that milestone up and running now. It usually takes a week or two before a reviewer comes along anyway, so it should be all finished by that stage. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 15:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey Nick, I'm just going through the "Later war service" section adding additional information. I'm up to the Freda engagement and am a little confused. From what you've written, the 2/48th Battalion attacked Freda on 19 May, and managed to gain a hold on 20 May; the day Derrick was wounded. In all of the other sources I have read, it states they managed to gain a hold on 22 May, and he was wounded on 23 May; dying the next day. Where did the discrepancy come from? Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 03:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Found another discrepancy, Nick: "Derrick died on 24 May 1945 during a second operation on his wounds.[1] He was initially buried in the 2/48th's cemetery on Tarakan, but was later interred at the Labuan War Cemetery, plot 24, row A, grave 9.[49]" - in this section, the first sentence is covered by the Australian Dictionary of Biography, which only states that he died, and has nothing about an operation. In the second, it is covered by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, which only states he is buried in Labuan War Cemetery; nothing about being re-interred after burial in Tarakan. Would you be able to dig out the cites for these two sectences? Many thanks, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Dear Nick,
With much surprise I found out this morning that you deleted the entire site for the company Advanced Programs, Inc (API), with the reason of 'blatant advertising'. Instead of deleting historic and valuable information about a company, I would kindly encourage you to modify the text in such a way, so that it is transparent to Wiki standard.
Furthermore, I would also like to challenge you to take a closer look at other Wiki sites of US IT companies. The format (historic information, executive leadership and product information) is plenty of times identical, as API has used it. Therefore, the layout and information previously posted regarding API, has little or no variation to the Wiki standard being enforced towards those sites.
Thank you for taking the time to review and respond.
-Jerome —Preceding unsigned comment added by JAKS1975 (talk • contribs) 07:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick,
After having carefully read it, it is not apparent to me towards which standard we are not adhering by:
The standard of:
API is national and internationally recognized TEMPEST supplier and the organizations mentioned above verify this on their sites. Therefore, kindly advice what the next steps are, as I do want to relaunch the site ASAP.
Again, Wikipedia is hosting similar sites to companies in the same market space, while those companies are even smaller (in terms of revenue) or have less market share (in terms of geographical coverage).
The API site had a link listed to its company's news section, that clearly provide even more references.
Thank you again for your time and for helping me to getting this article conform.
-Jerome —Preceding unsigned comment added by JAKS1975 (talk • contribs) 07:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick,
I made changes to the text as you have requested and would like for you to have a look before I restore the article. I believe I removed all of the 'blatant advertising' and supplied as many references as I could gather; due to the nature of the company’s business though, you will understand that military organizations or intelligence agencies do not post online articles about their partnership with API.
Thx again for your help with this - Hopefully you will now give your seal of approval.
-Jerome —Preceding unsigned comment added by JAKS1975 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I've fixed quite a few of the issues you brought up at the ACR of the Yamato-Class. Would you be able to check back in? Cam (Chat) 06:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it had also occurred to me that, given that they are a relatively new editor, "Anotherclown" probably might not know what was going on! It also occurred to me that there might be a better place to have the discussion, but I couldn't think where. (In any case, young Bryce does not seem to have any interest in discussing the matter, so perhaps it's a moot point anyway?)
However, I am still a little confused about "see also" sections, in that although the MoS says that the sections can have their uses, it seems the WP FAC reviewers work by a different set of "rules". Is this interpretation of the situation by me accurate, or have I missed something? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 12:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
P.S. "Anotherclown" is probably still rather uncertain about what is the "right" thing to do. How do you feel about summarising the situation and leaving them some useful advice? I'd do it, but I'm fairly confident that Mr Abraham would find something in my words with which he would agressively disagree. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi there Nick, could you possibly revisit the A-Class review for Wehrmacht forces for the Ardennes Offensive. Any further comments would be most appreciated I think. Thanks, regards. Woody (talk) 17:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello, have you noticed that the Australian War Memorial's online collection database has about a dozen good quality PD photos of Keith Miller playing with the RAAF team in 1945? Nick-D (talk) 07:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Blocked him indefinitely. Just looked at some odd comments and noted that he's only got a few edits, all of them talk pages and seems to know all the policies already. Seems like a great big leg-pulling account saying Mein Kampf is a RS and comparing 1914 Serbia to the Taliban and OBL. I think you should be more cynical with some folks.... There's this guy on the VN War page who never edits and only drones on and one saying that the US didn't lose and nobody answered him luckily, except a few hard-core anti-US guys who did the opposite... No need to reply to him. I think he's been taking for a ride 100%. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 07:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. In regards to recipients of the Croix de guerre, some publications will give them the postnominals "CdeG" however these are not official postnominals and would not be used in formal publications, engagements, ceremonies, etc. Also, as it is a forign award, even if it did confer postnominals Australians would not be entitled to use them. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 00:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I've addressed all of your comments on the ACR of Japanese battleship Yamato. Feel free to check back in. Cam (Chat) 21:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Well done on getting Military History of Australia during World War II promoted to A-class. I would imagine it would be quite difficult to summarise 6 years of Australia's involvement in a world-wide war into a single article, but you did a great job. Congratulations. Lawrence, M.J. (talk) 02:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for range-blocking this character. Nick-D (talk) 09:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
No problem. I don't know if this is possible, but I would be in favor of a banner at top of the article where edit wars have gotten so bad that that every edit must first be discussed. The Be Bold Wikipedia policy of adding sources and correcting errors understandably can't apply in such situations.
No big deal at all, just a suggestion for some kind of indicator to give editors a heads up. It might also help those monitoring the page from having to revert so often (I just examined the history page of this article) by decreasing original undiscussed edits.Mosedschurte (talk) 06:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
It came as a surprise to me today, when, as I searched for 'Man Scale' it returned a page claiming the page had been deleted. I found this quite strange, as i had read the article in question just yesterday and considered it a well reasoned, researched and considered definition. I c=checked back to confirm a few details and it had gone. Please amend your mistake of deleting the article in question and I'm sure you will be able to minimise the amount of inconvienience caused to researchers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.133.51 (talk) 23:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
FYI. Pdfpdf (talk) 03:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
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You don't see what's unusual about defection to a Communist country?
The article infers it was certainly considered unusual at the time. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Nick, my discussion communicates information in a concise, easy-to-understand manner. It is relevant to the topic, remains objective, and deals with facts which are supported through a reference. However, the response you left on my talk page is essentially a threat. If you have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TALK#User_talk_pages, you'll see that personal attacks are not allowed on Wikipedia; and threatening people with blocking/banning for disagreeing with you is considered a personal attack. Behave yourself! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.48.10.6 (talk) 20:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I am afraid that you have not AGF'ed with my edits, or at least that is the way it appears to myself. I have responded to your comments at 3RR, please read them, and take note that I ain't no politically motivated editor. In regards to the Irish famine, the book that I have used as a reference is not on the famine itself, but rather on how the English press reported on the famine. Yes, Wilson did say in The Economist "it is no man's business to provide for another"..."if left to the natural law of distribution, those who deserved more would obtain it"...this said whilst the Irish were begging for assistance. Such attitudes within the British press lead Maria Edgeworth to say, "To leave all the misery consequent upon improvidence and ignorace, to say nothing of imprudence and vice, to their own reward (anglice punishment) an to refuse any relief by charity to those who were perishing and perhaps before the very eyes of the anti-charitable...in their death struggle, would require a heart of iron - a nature from which the natural instinct of sympathy or pity have been expelled or destroyed." That is some quite notable comments from both The Economist, and from a notable Irish personality of the day. It is this type of thing which will be expanded upon in the article. --Russavia Dialogue 11:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. I just stumbled across the newly created article Alexander A. N. D. Pentland by User:Georgejdorner, however I was sure Pentland already had an article and, sure enough, he does: Alexander Pentland. I was wondering if you would be able to help me in this matter? As an admin, I figured you would know what to do in a case such as this, or would at least point me in the right direction. Would I request a merger, or ...? Thanks/cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 00:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Response. Pdfpdf (talk) 10:02, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I hope I am doing this correctly --- I believe the image is of a South Vietnamese Air Force 217th Helicopter Squadron chopper belonging to the 74th Tactical Wing, 4th Air Division. See http://vnaf.net/photos/huey/uh1h_217_1.html Note the stars on the tail of the black & white photo vs. the red tail with yellow stars of the color photo. Also US Army and Air Force aircraft had United States Army or USAF in black letters on the aircraft. This photo does not have that. Also it is obvious that the soldiers sitting on the aircraft deck are not U.S. But it is the tail marking and the yellow ,red, blue and white Roundel see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Air_Force on the fuselage that is the definitive clue. Meyerj (talk) 13:51, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey Nick, that's great adding No. 11 Group RAAF (I assume it was just "Group" and not "Operational Group" like Nos. 9 and 10). Couple of things: 1) Does Odgers give an Order of Battle for 11 like he did for 9OG and 10OG/1TAF? 2) What's your feeling on the class of these three articles? I think they all pass B-Class criteria with the possible exception of coverage, i.e. they're quite succinct - WDYT? In any case I've not assessed 9OG because I created it or 10OG/1TAF because I've contributed a fair bit to it... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Nick, have you read anything on why exactly the Labor government wants to order is looking into the EA-18Gs? Is it just that they feel it's tme the RAAF have an organic SEAD/ECM capability? ANd perhaps the fact that sinece they are the same airframe as the F/A-18F Block 2s they are already getting, now is as godd a time as any to get them? Just curious, especially since Labor wasn't even sure the wanted to buy Rhinos in the first place! Thanks for whatever response you have. - BillCJ (talk) 04:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
If you notice that the article is a 2006 GA, it might be a good idea to go through this: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment if you have issues with it. I'm not defending the article, I agree with your assessment and placement of the refimprove tag. (((Morefootnotes)) might be more appropriate) -MBK004 07:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick I've left a question/comment on the talk page for the 1st Independent Company (Australia) article a few days ago. Since you moved the page, I thought you would be best able to answer my questions and possibly even add a bit about the etymology of the unit to the article, explaining the different terminology and reasons behind the different name, eg why the rest of the coys are designed 2/ but not the 1st. Thanks. Lawrence, M.J. (talk) 11:36, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
O.K. I will, thanks Nick.--Jacurek (talk) 15:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
There seems to be a dispute as to whether PD-Australia does stretch back to 1955 or whether it needs to be pre-1946, juding by the challenge at the following FA - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Donald Bradman with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 - help/clarifications needed. Jappalang thinks pictures of Bradman's 1948 team aren't old enough for PD-Australia citing URAA and something I don't understand. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 02:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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G'day, I have provided references to notable sources for the GBL in the main article under Media Coverage. I hope this helps. Have a good one! JRA_WestyQld2 Talk 05:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for contributions to the project, Great work, especially on Australian Defence Force - I actually wrote an article for Wikinews a while back involving the Australian Defence Department, nice job on getting this article to Featured quality status! May you wear the crowns well. Cirt (talk) 10:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Re: User_talk:The_Real_American#Userpage: I did not know that. I knew there was a flag to allow/stop them from editing their own talk page(s) but I thought User: was treated the same as the rest. That's the way it used to be. When did it change? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:18, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Nick nearly all of the material on the women in the military page is unverifiable, why did mine deserve deletion? Is it because they are not inline with your own personal opinions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.144.59 (talk) 03:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Will you please answer my question as to why you singled out my uncited additions and did not fix up any of the rest of the article?
Could not they have been left in and the page marked for cleanup so that all of the page could be fixed?
This section "This point is countered, however, by the fact that women who are currently in non-combat roles are still exposed to the risk of capture and sexual abuse, yet are not given the weapons or training to adequately defend themselves through combat. Furthermore, it is argued that women who joined the military in combat roles would almost certainly be aware of the risks and accept them. It is also worth remembering that male soldiers are frequently abused by their captors, and this has on numerous occasions included severe psychological and sexual abuse. In general, it can be stated that volunteer soldiers are expected to have accepted the risk of such treatment when enlisting, regardless of gender." for example offers no citation. I added material to that which may also have been uncited, but was at least true. E.g. no modern army I am aware of does not put women through the same basic training (which is generally where personal weapons are taught) or trade/skills training. Yet you allow that material to remain. How is that presenting a balanced view?
Why do you not remove those portions? It has no cited evidence - which is the case for a vast portion of wikipedia? Why don't you edit/revert those portions? Why is it that editors alwaus revert. They rarely if ever say, well, the point or info is valid but is not in the right from, I'll edit it and put it in the right form? Instead they revert (delete really) whole slabs of info. You appear to be a military historian, so it seems likely that you know for example that training in modern forces is the same for women as for men, but you allow a blatant falsehood to remain, uncited, but revert my uncited correction. I'd be happy (well not happy, but I would be satisfied you were being fair) if you removed all of the speculative or uncited material, but when you just remove mine, it sort of feels a lot like you're doing it because it does not agree with your views.
In addition look at some of the citations,:
I.e. yeah people cite sources, but in a significant number of cases the citations are nothing more then personal opinion and rhetoric, published in blogs, personal homepages or at best non neutral think tanks/"news media", which which themselves cite little or no sources or citations. I.e. predominantly pesonqal opinion or blatant political lobbying.
So much for the vaunted citations.
Wikipedia really sucks in this way. You (editors not you personally) get credit as an editor for reverting material, but there is no obligation on you to fix the rest of an article, even though you (personally in this case) acknowledge it needs work. And there is certainly nothing that makes you (editors generally, not you personally) have to actually contribute any info.
People make a career out of reverting other people's work. They revert whole slabs where often only a single fact is in question. But they never actually contribute any new material to the wikipedia. They just revert other people's. I'm not saying this is the case with you personally as you do appear to actually contribute material, but it is a shortcoming of the wikipedia editorial system generally.
In addition if a factoid has a citation you let it stand, regardless of how good the cited evidence is. Even in the case of web sourced citations it appears the citations are not checked for quality, and I can't imagine that very many wikipedida editors go out and buy/borrow/read every book or non web source of eviddence cited in an article that they edit.
I am strongly tempted to break my internet connection, get a new IP, and edit some obviously false material with bogus citations, e.g. links to google searches and see what happens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.144.59 (talk) 04:14, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
And there is also no reason to remove valid info. In many articles editors seem to add a "Citation Needed" link. But if you are going to remove some material for thse reasons, why don;'t you remove all of the similarly "speculative" and uncited material in that article?
Again can you please tell me why my uncited sections were removed, but you allowed other to remain?
In some cases I can't prove that the material is incorrect. For example there is nowhere in the Aust defence recruitng info that says women outside of combat arms are not provided the same training as men. In fact they are but that is implicit as everyone does the same training except for sepcifci combat arms jobs.
Aren't wikieditors supposed to help people and encourage them? I'm not feeling very helped or encouraged. Youve ignored my questions twice and you have not provided any useful commentary on any of the points Ive made. I have no better understanding of why some uncited material and personal opinion is allowed but mine is not. Please help me to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.144.59 (talk) 04:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
In fact are looking at the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS page it specifically says that "In the Wiki model, an article which may currently be poorly written, poorly formatted, lack sufficient sources, or not be a comprehensive overview of the subject, can be improved and rewritten to fix its current flaws. That such an article is lacking in certain areas is a relatively minor problem, and such articles can still be of benefit to Wikipedia. In other words, the remedy for such an article is cleanup, not deletion.".
You might also want to check the "Just pointing at a policy or guideline" and the "Just unencyclopedic" sections of the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS you quoted as well.
My additions were in fact aimed at making the article more balanced and more comprehensive. It really appears to me that you are simply enforcing your world view on the matters in the article.
So why have you reverted my additions instead of leaving them and marking the whole page in need of cleanup? <-- THIS IS NOT A RHETORICAL QUESTION, I'd actually like to know.
And for the record again, this is not a rhetorical question Why did you remove my uncited material but allow other uncited material to remain?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.144.59 (talk) 04:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
But the page WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS you cited specifically says that uncited material is not sufficient grounds for deletion.
So why are you deleting uncited content I have added and not uncited content that other people have added?
Why are you unwilling to discuss this matter instead of simply repeating the same invalid according to WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS reason?
I've quoted the specific paragraph of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS that I think is relevant to my argument - do you have any other grounds for deleting my contributions?
Aren't editors supposed to follow the rules too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.144.59 (talk) 05:54, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
And I would think you are responsible for following the rules that you cite?
Why won't you do that in this case?
And why won't you address any of the questions I have asked you in a meaningful way?
Hi, re the ship, other ship articles in the Category:Australian Army water transport units use the long name as suggested on the talk page. This also fits in with WP:NC-S. Do you know her homeport as Cementco and should the article be added to Category:Merchant ships of Australia? Mjroots (talk) 15:45, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
That you have access to factiva - you saved an afd as far as i am concerned - well done - cheers SatuSuro 10:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Nick, I have re-written the article on 2/7th in line with your comment (17 February). If you could please take a look at it and see if it is now okay, I would appreciate it. I hadn't meant to cause any troubles. I suspect that other similar articles have also been culled from AWM (e.g the article on 2/3rd Commando Squadron (Australia)), hence I had used it for 2/7 and was trying to improve it with citations with a view to reworking over time. It is no excuse, though, I understand. So I consider myself thoroughly embarrassed. Anyway, if you could take a look at the updated version, I'd be grateful. Cheers.AustralianRupert (talk) 02:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. The article I just had at FAC has now been added to the promoted list, so I'm ready to take Derrick to FAC. Providing that he is still willing to do so, Roger has agreed to make a final pass through the article before it is nominated. So, hopefully, I should have Derrick's FAC up and running by tomorrow. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 07:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Heh, talk about on the ball (and obliging!) - I didn't even get round to listing it for assessment...! Tks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I wonder if you could look at Fascism#Political spectrum. The introductory sentence of this section is not supported by the footnotes, and much of the section is devoted to "left-wing fascism", which is not described elsewhere in the article. There has been discussion, but it has not been resolved. The Four Deuces (talk) 05:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I thought that you weren't supposed to semi-protect the TFA unless the vandalism was getting absolutely out of hand, and if you did, it wasn't supposed to be long (as in hours, not days).... :/ Just my ramblings... —Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 03:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Not your usual area I know, but I'm trying to improve this 12,000 miles from most of my sources. Would you mind going through what you have that's relevant and improving things here and there? Best wishes Buckshot06(prof) 16:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
There is an on-going discussion for the article on Fort Lewis that I'd like you to look at. An IP editor put the following blurb in the article: "On February 16th, 2009, two 16 year old girls were discovered in the barracks. One was dead, the other, unconscious." No source, no other info. I removed it, explaining that it was unsourced and seemed like local interest only. On the talk page, I've further explained why I don't believe this incident is encyclopedic or notable. The editor apparently is not familiar with the policies on personal attacks, nor did he familiarize himself with them when I pointed it out. Am I that far off-base (no pun intended)? I don't see wh this should be included. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I see you've met User:23prootie. WP:CIVIL and AGF prevent me saying more. --Merbabu (talk) 07:57, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I've fixed all the issues you brought up in Musashi. As an afterthought, could you also add what you believe is needed before an FAC? Cam (Chat) 04:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I made a comment to your proposal on the issue of the Bombing[s] of Darwin. Yes, I provided some sourced info. for that wiki article. Feel free to decide how you want to handle the article. Regards from Canada, --Leoboudv (talk) 06:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Re: your recent deletion of You Am I due to perform at Sound Relief concert which was referenced. Your 'Edit summary' states (Undid revision 273155018 by Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) not needed; YAI have performed thousands of concerts). Whilst it is probably true that YAI have performed thousands of concerts, I doubt that any have included a benefit performance in support of 210+ dead Australians? IMO, the historical significance of the benefit concert is notable. Would you like to discuss further your reasons for this deletion? Please respond at Talk:You Am I.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:51, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hi mate, sorry to bother you - I was wondering if you could help me with something. I don't really understand the whole photo upload policy. I understand the basic copyright stuff, but not sure how to apply it in practice to uploading photos. I've uploaded one as a test - won't upload any others if I get it wrong. If you wouldn't mind, could you take a look at the photo I put on Michael Allmand - a British Victoria Cross recipient - and tell me if I've justified it correctly, or if I've committed a grevious copyright error. Sorry to dump this on you, but I thought you might know. I noticed you uploaded the image of Mark Donaldson, so it seems you might have experience in this regard.
I got the image from the United Kingdom MoD site which has Crown Copyright, but I believe that because it was created before 1 June 1957 it is okay to use. I used the templates from other similar photos that appear to be from similar sources (i.e. Imperial War Museum) - for example the image on Arthur Stewart King Scarf. Anyway, I won't keep rambling on. If you could have a look at it and say yay or nay, that would be great. At least from there I'll start to get an idea of how it all works. Cheers. AustralianRupert (talk) 07:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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You may be interested in this discussion on deleting (by redirecting) the United Kingdom intelligence community page. Earthlyreason (talk) 19:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
First of all, thanks for participating in the peer review for Operation Deny Flight. I think I addressed the concerns you brought up there, and thanks again for the picture, and I have now nominated the article as a featured article candidate. If you'd like to participate in the FAC, here's a link. Cool3 (talk) 21:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Nice photo! --Pdfpdf (talk) 04:04, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
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Nick, Do you believe that the Landing at Dove Bay, by the 2/6th Cavalry Commando Regiment is notable enough to warrant a page? Your thoughts? Kind Regards --Newm30 (talk) 05:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Noted. Will do some further research and expand and potentially create campaign box. Regards --Newm30 (talk) 05:55, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Nick, but you also made some very significant contributions to the article and were instrumental in its passing as FA. Thank you for all of the time, work and effort you contributed to the article. Thanks, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick
I receive since yesterday were I got the information regarding Philippine Military Ranks. Here are my answers:
Personally, I'm a graduate of basic ROTC course during my college days and at that time it is a compulsory to all male college students before the passage of R.A. 9163 also known as "National Service Training Program Act of 2002" (here is the link you can find that law: www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra2002/ra_9163_2002.html).
I was a cadet officer with a rank of Cdt/1Lt. and I was a logistics officer in the entire corps air group(battallion). Currently, acording to my NCO who is my instructor, I graduated with a rank of sergeant in the Philippine Air force Reserve and in case of war and calamities according to R.A. 7077 also known as reservist act of 1991 i'll be called to active duty when the time comes. I was trained for two years and after that I decide to continue my studies particulary the course of engineering till I graduated in 2004.
I'm also a Filipino. As you can see, in what I posted in the information in the page of Armed Forces of the Philippines(AFP) in the wikipedia, you can easily identify, what kind of language I'm speaking. If you are asking were the links I got the information about the military ranks of the armed forces I can share it with you.
Here are the links:
1. reference.allrefer.com/country-guide-study/philippines/philippines165.html
(although it was thought to us by my NCO instructor, we never use warrant officer ranks and insignias at the time the Armed Forces of the Philippines was establish in 1936 under National Defence Act of 1936 during the U.S. occupation before WWII).
2. www.dlsu.edu.ph/offices/sps/rotc/pdf/ms2/pn_ranks.pdf
(it explains thouroughly the Philippine Navy ranks and ratings).
3. www.filipinoforums.net/php882/viewtopic.php?t=6119
(this is how we get or the evolution of military ranks to its present day beginning at the Philippine-Spanish War up to Philippine-American War or you call it in your American History the Philippine Insurrection).
4.www.paf.mil.ph/gallery1/ranks.html
(from the Philippine Air Force website by just click the link: "chiefs of air force" then, click "gallery" and "ranks and insignias").
5.www.geocitiies.com/afp_ranks
Let me explain further, if you will wonder why they are no ranks in Senior Master Sergeant up to Sergeant Major in the Philippine Army, the Philippine Marine Corps is using Chief Master Sergeant instead of Sergeant Major and Senior Chief Petty Officer up to Master Chief Petty Officer in the Philippine Navy? The answer is simple, they never updated the page. For example in no.4, you will see it was copyrighted since 2006 and they just preserve the site since it was created. Six Years ago, the website of the AFP has posted in their gallery the ranks of officers and enlisted personnel from E-1 up to E-9 and O-1 to O-10 from all service branches but lately after I tried to look for it after they updated their website it was never posted anymore.
On my personal experience, when we have military celebrations, I always salute NCO's mostly from the Air force and I'm very familiar with Philippine Air force and Army enlisted ranks but when it comes to Philippine Navy and Marine Corps, I need to ask my NCO instructor whenever I'm with him inside Camp Aguinaldo if I need to salute a unfamiliar rank coming from the Navy and Marine Corps and he says whenever your are in doubt just make a salute if your not familiar with their rank. There is a time when all enlisted personnel from all service branches gathered in one place and i saw a Navy NCO and I decide to salute him and he return my salute. I ask midshipman with a rank of ensign from La Salle university and ask him what kind of rank insignia on his shoulder, he replied "Ah that's a chief boatswain's mate and he'll soon be promoted to Senior Chief." I ask again: "What is the insignia look like when he will be promoted?" He replied: It's like the U.S. Navy ranks using an eagle at the top of the echelon but instead the eagle it will be a merlion with a sword on it's right hand at the top of echelon." "Are you sure?" I ask. "Well the Philippine Navy will adapt the U.S. Navy rank Master Chief so that it will be co-equal with the army, air force and marine corps." "You mean to say you don't have a Senior Master Sergeant or Chief Master Sergeant?" " Yeah, it will be implemented by this year." "I see!" Until now, whenever I go to Roxas Blvd, in the main headquarters of the Philippine Navy. I'm looking a sentinel on his arm sleeve to see if he has the rank of Senior Chief (Petty) Officer on what the midshipman from La Salle has described years ago. Until now, I only I see seaman first clas up to petty officers yet no Senior Chief up to Master Chief Petty Officers(well if they are inside their office doing office desk job there is no doubt about it). I only use to go to Villamor Airbase and very often in other camps, particularly in Camp Aguinaldo and Bagong Diwa in Quezon City and Taguig when we have military training every weekends. During weekdays we need to go to school to study.
I need also to inform you about in no.4 that, the officer shoulder sleeve insignia from Philippine Army and Air force are still being used from second lieutenant up to general. In Philippine Navy however since 2003, from the rank of commodore up to admiral they no longer use the old flag officer shoulder sleeve ranks instead, they adapt the new shoulder sleeves coming from the U.S. Navy's Flag Officer shoulder sleeves but still the title of commodore the lowest flag officer still remains in usage. Also, they are now using coat sleeve insignias similar from its U.S. counterpart with eight rays of the sun instead the star at the top with an inverted letter H in the middle coming from ancient Filipino alphabet "alibata" usually it is pronounce as "ka" for "kalayaan" meaning freedom in Filipino(it is actually an adaptation from the old Philippine Revolutioanry Army rank of a general in no.3). In Philippine Marine Corps, they are now actually using collar pin insignias for officers and even their uniforms have similarities from U.S. Marine Corps.
About the 5 star genral/admiral rank there is really a rank conferred to the President of the Philippines. I tried to find my old notes from my ROTC days yet it was lost somewhere but I can give you a link in which Senator Juan Ponce Enrile (President Marcos' former defense secretary) assures in a press statement about the rank of 5 star general and admiral in AFP which the current president is the holder of the rank which is an honorary. Here's the link: http://www.gmanews.tv/story/145832/%E2%80%98Militarization%E2%80%99-is-Arroyos-way-to-stay-in-power---solon
I almost forgot, the translations from English to Filipino of officer ranks it is very simple for us Filipinos particularly in my case as an air force reservist. Every time we have military parades or presentation of medals and awards, the hosts' in stage usually speak in Filipino (but sometimes they speak in English) will announce the ranks of awardees in Filipino. As what The Commision of Filipino Language(a government agency dedicated for study and preservation of Filipino language) states: "whenever there are words and sentences that can't be properly translate and pronounce in Filipino, it shall be adapted or even possible the spelling of the words might be altered with conformity of it's use." Therefore, since my country has been colonized by the Spaniards and Americans we already adapt the words in which it is actually borrowed yet accepted as part of Filipino modern language with a purpose to avoid the Filipino language to become extinct as what the commission states. I hope I have enlighten your mind about what I said.
Until, then and Thank you for your time ---- dast138 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dast138 (talk • contribs) 12:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. I am currently working on a biography of Lieutenant General Sir Henry Wells, the first Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee, in my sandbox here. However, I don't really possess any sources that examine exactly why the position was created or why Wells was appointed to the command, or even the problems/limitations he faced with the position in its early days (eg. no official command authority with the position and being equal in rank to the other chiefs), and I was wondering if you did? Thanks, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that, Nick! Hopefully we can make a decent article on Wells yet! :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 00:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Nick, another question. How do we name CMF units on wiki? 1AIF unit is listed as 1st Battalion (Australia), 2AIF is 2/1st Australian Infantry Battalion (should this really be listed as 2/1st Battalion (Australia), and should CMF, which have same name as 1AIF, be known as 1st Battalion CMF (Australia)?
I have noted that in some articles, especially bios it is incorrectly linked to 1AIF page when it relates to CMF unit. If we need to discuss this elsewhere to have consistency and rules, happy to participate. Kind Regards --Newm30 (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Noted. Where do we go to have the naming convention discussed and agreed upon? Regards --Newm30 (talk) 22:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
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Hey Nick, I've addressed all of the issues you brought up for the ACR of Japanese battleship Haruna. Feel free to check back in. Cam (Chat) 20:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I filled the RFC from the dispute.
It started a year ago, when User:Steveshelokhonov added a lot of new stuff into the article. That contained many statements from the book of Nikolai Baryshnikov, who has tried to create a tighter connection between Finns and the Siege. His additions resulted article size to grow and I splitted it along the civilian and military viewpoint. He resented the splitting, but in the end the dispute calmed down to the more or less stable version, where I have added that "Controversy"-chapter, which base claim was also taken from that book of Baryshnikov. Also then a anonymous editor User:130.166.33.54 participated in discussion, effectively replacing User:Steveshelokhonov. I called for the 3O Talk:Siege_of_Leningrad/Archive_2#Content_dispute_Third_opinion but before any resolution was reached, the anonymous editor was blocked.
A new round started at January, when anonymous editors started to add similar parts of text to the article as year ago. While concentrating their talk page behavior to that "Controversy"-chapter, they have also changed numerous other sourced statements to claim something what the given sources do not support. Anyway, it is a mess, and I'd really, really appreciate any help to solve this permanently, so we don't have to go through this annually. --Whiskey (talk) 06:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Can you take a look at this guy's edits to variuos subcontinental war articles. I don't rate him as anything more than a vandal with the sources he is using, and in any case, he is reverting against a consensus, in my opinion, eg see Khemkaran, and the ridiculous "source" that he is using. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Been there, done that, will be uploading photos to Commons over the weekend :) -- saberwyn 01:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind, but I offered to check those two articles over for Sandy as she's got a lot on her plate right now. Overall they are both in pretty good shape MOS-wise. I did not carefully read them, just scanned for MOS issues. I made a few minor tweaks to each, mostly to add conversions or fix minor ref format issues. Remaining issues that I noted:
Thanks for thinking to get these checked before FAC. I too have noticed more of 'our' articles getting dinged at FAC for MOS issues; I hope we can tighten up our A-class reviews so that we run into less issues at FAC. Maralia (talk) 18:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I've responded to your nomination of this image for deletion. Could you please withdraw this - the image is PD in the US. Nick-D (talk) 23:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Our great friend Mrg is back, operating as User:Shattered Wikiglass and some anon IPs. Just a heads-up for now, but articles such as his new Dry bays are, er, wobbly. -Buckshot06
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I was a little surprised by your comment. Perhps you could explain in what way you consider my edit to the vote preamble was inappropriate. In particular, how it constitutes disrupting wikipedia to make a point. If you seriously expect the vote to be a valid and binding result, then it needs to be be conducted in an impartial manner. The introduction as I saw it originally was plainly not this, rather seemed to summarise the benefits of the c-class grade as seen by those who wish it not to exist. Had it simply said do you support/oppose with no preamble whatsoever, then that would have been acceptable. Including a biased and inadequate summary of arguments certainly was not. Alternatively, you might have added a link to wherever the arguments have been properly discussed. As it is, if you feel my admittedly also rather inadequate summary of relevant points is unacceptable, I would suggest that you scratch the entire vote and start again. Given that a number of people have already voted, that might anyway be the better course. I would certainly not consider a vote conducted on the terms outlined at the moment could be regarded as binding in any regard. Sandpiper (talk) 21:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
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There are currently 12 members with 20 or 20+, and it has been less than a week so far, that means there is two spots left. The turnout has been great. Have A Great Day! Lord R. T. Oliver The Olive Branch 21:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Nick. The breathing space is much appreciated, and will hopefully give the subject time for some valuable and positive reflection. —Error -128 (talk) 11:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick-D! Is that better to remove the military infobox at the World War II sub-section of the article Batangas like you did? Kampfgruppe (talk) 11:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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Thought your removal of IRA from infobox correct in retrospect. Had considered doing same but opted to 'fix' an IP contrib by piping. Should have gone with my gut instinct. RashersTierney (talk) 15:26, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello! I am doing some searching and it does appear the subject of intelligence of fictional characters is something covered in scholarly sources, such as Patricia M. Puccinelli's Yardsticks: retarded characters and their roles in fiction (P. Lang, 1995). Anyway, I believe the article can be dramatically revised to be about the intelligence of fictional characters as depicted in fiction and as such believe that we can use some of the verifiable information from that article for that purpose. Again, what I propose is an article based entirely on such secondary sources as Puccinelli's mentioned above and that only lists those IQs of characters also verified in other secondary sources. Might you please reconsider so that we can use what we can from it for these purposes? And as others know I do tend to follow up my ideas for such rewrites (see rescue barnstars on my userpage). Thank you for your time and consideration. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi we need either a good Milhist ed (or yourself if you either have the time or the inclination) who is prepared to come in and have a squizz at the military hardware list freaks work of recent - in WP Indonesia. It seems to have spurts - so if you could or would suggest a good candidate - the project needs an invasion of an experienced milhist eye to review the current state - it would be appreciated SatuSuro 04:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
The main issue for those of us as at WP Indonesia is that we have lists freaks - usually copyvios and web pinches - they just love them lists :( - not sure that I have had enough milhist exposure to see whether other countries suffer from the same affliction.
Cheers SatuSuro 06:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Or try List_of_current_ships_of_the_Indonesian_Navy. --Merbabu (talk) 10:17, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey - thanks for keeping an eye on the Indonesian military-related articles. --Merbabu (talk) 11:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Hear hear I'll second that SatuSuro
Hi Nick. Sorry to bother you once again, but Ian has just completed a review of Henry Wells (general) for the ACR and has requested that another sentence be added to elaborate on how/why the CCOSC was strengthened during Scherger's time. Would you be able and willing to do this? As ever, if you are too busy or would prefer not to, then please do not feel obligated to do so. Thanks mate, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 08:12, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Dear Sir, An encyclopedic article abuot world war II which does not mention the atrocities against the Germans in the east since august 1919 can not be taken seriously. The democratic german governments in weimar-republic published several "Weißbücher" about this problem, which became acute after Pilsudski´s death: "Bromberger Blutsonntag"!. user talk: jäger —Preceding undated comment added 22:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC).
Sorry about that: it was not intended to be personal, but it is a fairly common occurrence where editors just don't read WP:BEFORE. I didn't see any claim of notability problems, just that the article was bad, and thus was "worse than nothing". Which he could have fixed by 30 seconds of editing. Frankly such deletion debates are both common and a massive waste of everyone's time, and people won't know this unless you tell them. Sorry, I really do think this is an important thing to communicate, but I'll really try to be more circumspect in the future.
Thanks again, T L Miles (talk) 14:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Nick. You had reviewed SMS Roon a couple of days ago (I had listed it over at the requests for assessment section), and you had commented on a couple of sourcing problems it had. I added a few citations to the section you mentioned; can you take look at it again for me? Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 21:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Yep, drive-bys are archived immediately, but there is a set procedure so it is best to ping Sandy or Maralia, just like I did here: User_talk:SandyGeorgia#Drive-by_nomination_at_FAC -MBK004 04:38, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have given my reply and my reasoning at the page for your discussion. I think I have stated a fairly solid reason why the article is needed.BobaFett85 (talk) 06:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Responded again.BobaFett85 (talk) 06:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I made a proposition at the discussion, what if we could only list those killed outside of Afghanistan in the article. We would delete the names of those killed in the country itself. We would say that per icasualties.org 608 soldiers have been listed as killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Uzbekistan, while we would put a list of the 28 killed in those other countries? But we also put a notice in the article Coalition casualties in Afghanistan that no more adding of names of soldier's names, rank and age killed in the war be added again since that too would be a violation of the memorial rule. We would list just a few high-notable deaths among soldiers. Are you okay with this?BobaFett85 (talk) 08:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick, I hope this is the right spot to ask this question, please advise if there is a more appropriate spot as I'm obviously new to WP. I note that you have flagged the Hands On Learning Australia page as requiring verifiable third party references... are you able to provide a little more info about how the ones already on the page (other than the one the organisation home page) fail to satisfy this critereon? Thanks Blippy (talk) 06:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I have added a reference to ABC radio and The Age newspaper. Is this the kind of thing you mean? I thought the academic report would be better than either of these though... Cheers Blippy (talk) 07:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Have also added a few more references now. Hopefully this addresses the issue satisfactorily... I'd appreciate some further direction if this isn't the case. Thanks again, Blippy (talk) 13:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick, sorry to be pestering you, but I'm not sure what the protocol is from here. Is it up to me to clear the notability flag, should I be asking you to take care of it, or is there some other process? Cheers Blippy (talk) 07:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC).
I think I've got it sorted Nick - congratulations on your election result BTW. Blippy (talk) 08:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I spoke too soon. Sorry Nick, this is feeling a bit like stalking. I think I'll go have a lie down and leave you alone now! In some ways it's been good having that tag hanging over the page, it inspired me to do a lot more checking than I would have otherwise. Cheers Blippy (talk) 08:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
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Please check my talk page. Arilang talk 08:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't like what you did, I tried each time (if available) info about their background, age etc. And you made it to something very dry and impersonal. Why if I may ask, you deleted all of my work, without asking, so why ? Perelada (talk) 08:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I have stated my opinion and my respons at the deletion discussion. But, like I said over there, I have a compromise proposol if you wish to discuss it so we can not delete the article but still make it as not to be too much of a memorial. My proposal is to delete the names of all soldiers killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan and just leave the paragraph which states the 608 number of killed in those countries with icasualties.org as it's source. But, we leave the names of the 28 soldiers who died in other countries while supporting combat operations in Afghanistan, along with their sources, so that the deaths of those 28 can be confirmed and linked to the war. Is this OK?BobaFett85 (talk) 10:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me why most of the info from from Coalition casualties in Afghanistan was deleted, and the other page was put on for deletion. BobaFett85 mentionned the overload of info or sth. But now the info will be lost for ever, all mine and other's their add's are lost for ever, by one single move, so why ?. (and don't consider this as an attack ~ please) Perelada (talk) 11:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Listen, I was thinking, and I think I have found a solution for the dilema. Currently it is still unclear what the result of the nomination will be, five have opposed deletion, five have confirmed deletion and one said to withdraw the nomination until the dispute is resolved. Thus we have a standof as some would say. So I think I have found a solution satisfactory for both sides. The main problem here is the Memorial rule. I will tell you now, in principle I SUPPORT that rule, I am against lists of soldiers killed in wars. But I clearly made my point clear why I wanted the list, to shorten that previous article and to find a definite number of soldiers killed. So my solution is the following - We delete all of the names, ALL of them, but we will make up a new list, a chronological list of attacks on US forces, a chronological list of deaths of US soldiers in the war. But we will not put the names of the soldiers, just the numbers of how many died in specific incidents. A kind of list like those others: List of insurgent fatality reports in Iraq, List of insurgent fatality reports in Afghanistan, List of Iraqi security forces fatality reports, List of Afghan security forces fatality reports, Timeline of Somali war (which in essence only lists deaths of people in the war by date). If it would be in that form than the article would not be a memorial. What do you say, would that be alright?BobaFett85 (talk) 08:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Listen, I don't know what personal problem you have with me. I myself have no problem with you. For some reason you think that I am a trickster, which I find highly offensive. Recently I have had some hard fights in discussions with various users who are highly stuborn and dogmatic. Listen, I will change the whole article like TheFEARgod recomended and construct only a chronological list, without names, no memorial. If it would make you feel better block me indefinetly if I go back on my word. But I will tell you this my word is a thing not to be doubtfull about. If I have to cite Al Pacino from Scarface I have only two things in this world. My word and my balls and I don't break them for no one. So I'm asking again, will you agree to this compromise and stop this stupid fight?BobaFett85 (talk) 09:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
You're more than welcome to revert - I won't argue - but I don't think it's a significant change at all; it's just expanding on a couple of points made to note relevant dates (ie, it's a bit odd to note the Treaty of San Francisco but not the Paris Peace Treaties or the 1956 not-quite-a-treaty). I did leave a note on talk explaining what I'd done, since it arose from a query there.
Do you have any particular problems with any of it? It's uncited, because I don't have a general history handy to cite it from, but it should be fairly easy to draw some cites in from either the relevant articles or from whichever standard text you prefer - I don't want to go to the effort of doing so if you don't think it should be in the article, though! Shimgray | talk | 12:15, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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...and very welcome! Thank you very much ;) EyeSerenetalk 07:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. Seeing as your a bit of a amphibious craft nut, you may be interested in the following links for both AV-1356 Clive Steele & AV-1355 Vernon Sturdee and 32 Small Ship Squadron information while in Vietnam. Kind Regards --Newm30 (talk) 23:16, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Nick, given your interest in the official WWII history and your recent bio on George Odgers, just letting you know (in case you weren't aware) that there's an entry on Herington at ADB (and a good portrait from AWM). I have him on my list but way down - I know you'd do a fine job if you feel like it. On a related subject, looks like I'll be joining you at the Historiography Task Force...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:13, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
You wrote:
"Please stop adding unreferenced controversial biographical content to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Defence Materiel Organisation. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Nick-D (talk) 06:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)'
The additions were all referenced and factual. They were newsworty and reflected significant leadership issues in the DMO that are all on the public record. As such, they are not in breach of policy and I believe there is a good case to have them included. 84.48.179.249 (talk) 16:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi mate, what sort of chance do you think Morotai Mutiny would have for TFA? Of the FAs I've written, it'd seem to generate the broadest interest so had the wild idea of nominating for 20 April (yearly anniversary). That plus the fact it'd be 'my' debut TFA would give it 2 points but not sure that it'd score anything more given that it's been FA for less than a year, plus the plethora of military articles in that space (though I wouldn't say we have that many air force articles and certainly not many 'mutinies'). Anyway, as an important contributer to it, I'd value your thoughts...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 04:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Ban enforcement request: User:BobaFett85 (latest sockpuppet of banned User:Top Gun) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ActionRequest (talk • contribs) 17:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
User:Tenmei has filed an ArbCom case against me and I have done a little research on Tenmei and noted you have interacted with this user. Can you help provide an opinion about him? Thanks.Teeninvestor (talk) 22:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Tang_Dynasty/Evidence
Having just been deleted after an AfD you initiated, this has now been restored. (The old "keep trying until you get the right result" game.) You may be interested in the discussion. - Biruitorul Talk 02:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
You're probably right. Should we change the WWII page to a disambiguation page? I wanted to see if what I saw yesterday was true: that someone had put the call letters WWII on an actual radio station. It took some doing.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
There already was a disambiguation page. There were three options: (1) move the text as is from the page, which I did.(2) move the page, which would have required db-move before I could do it. (3) Redirect, which seemed pointless.
With the first option, someone could delete the page Mlaffs created in the future, or maybe it's not even necessary. I credited Mlaffs with creating the text in the edit summary.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
This is what he said on World War II when he reverted me:
I don't think its suitable to have a prominent link to a small radio station at the top of this very high traffic article
You can see this edit summary in the history for yourself. I asked him a better way, suggesting the WWII page be changed to disambiguation.
Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
I need some advice. I looked at the guidelines for redirects and disambiguation and didn't see anything that fit this situation. However, I did see something that needed addressing. One guideline said Eagle's Nest was a disambiguation page used for Eagle Nest, Eagle Nests, and Eagle's Nest. Why not Eaglenest? There is a mountain where I go in the summer which is one of the tallest in the area, and very prominent in the particular location and postcard photos and the like. I should write an article on it, but it could be difficult to put all the information together. However, I did add uses of Eaglenest to the disambiguation page and the word to the guideline, explaining how it might be an example of how to have multiple words on disambiguation pages. But I don't think I did it quite right.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:01, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Time to rejoin the "real world" now. If anyone knows where I can get advice on any of the above, I can read it tomorrow.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Mlaffs did it. Thanks for your help.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
FYI: I have left a comment along with my support at the ACR. While it will in all likelihood be closed as successful even if you don't fix the issue, it will come up at FAC, which I assume is the next stop for the article? -MBK004 01:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Cla, Do you have any sources on this topic? I'd really like to expand the article, but amazingly little seems to have been written on it. Nick-D (talk) 07:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
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Indefblocked when I'd just left a barnstar as encouragement because I thought they showed signs of maturing as an editor after that recent AfD. Oh well... :P EyeSerenetalk 10:18, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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I dont mind i have no argument on the deletion on that. please do so as i cannot get enough information for this article (Homan05)
Hi Nick -- I don't think Darwin Olympic SC merited a speedy deletion -- today I was planning to add details about its Northern Territory Northern Zone Premier League titles -- the team is the most successful in the NT from the past few years. It has the same level of significance as all the other Premier League teams at a state level in Australia. I don't think we need to go to a deletion review -- let me know what extra details you'd like on the article and I'll put them up. Australian Matt (talk) 00:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the assess. Most of the 'cite needed' material relates to the sub's six appearances at the pointy end of the Fincastle competition. The problem is that I can't find a reliable, published source for this information. -- saberwyn 11:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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The reason I listed the 250,000 famine dead, with a credible in print Russian source, is that right wing revisionists in Germany today are making an unsupported claim that 5.7 million died in the post war famine. If you check International Historical Statistics you can confirm that that the death rate in Germany in 1946-47 was about 1% above the level of 1948-49.Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 23:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Also you may see sources in print such as Martin Gilbert that list 3.8 Million German civilian deaths in WW2. This figure is based on German demographic estimates that include post war deaths due to the expulsions and famine. In the footnotes it is pointed out that these losses are not included with WW2 casualties since they occured in the post war era.--Woogie10w (talk) 23:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I know. This afd is more to get people thinking about the merits of deletion, and it is in light of his current celebrity status that I offered to meet people halfway in the nom be noting my openes to merging or redirecting. I doubt the article will disappear as a result of this afd, I suspect there will be consensus against retaining it but not enough consensus to merge, redirect, or delete, which means it will be closed in a few days as "no consensus". Once that happens I intend to give the article 60-90 days to grow; failing that, I'll fire the afd guns again and see what happens in round two. Thanks for the input, though, as they say: every little bit helps :) — an unlogged in TomStar81 (talk · contribs) 75.19.69.107 (talk) 04:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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hey nick-d. appreciate the work you do for wikipedia in administering. just curious about why you redirected the 'Belgrave Football Club' article to the 'Yarra Valley Mountain District Football League'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Striker161 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. I am currently working on a biography of Rear Admiral Otto Becher in my sandbox here, and I was wondering if you had access to the Official History of Australia in the Korean War or some simular book? I ask because the only information I really have on Becher while in command of HMAS Warramunga from 1950 to 1951 in the Korean War is the information supplied by his Australian Dictionary of Biography entry and the AWM award cards for his DSO and US Legion of Merit; all three of which provide very little. Thanks mate. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 14:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Shubinator (talk) 16:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Please read THIS regarding this edit. Seen Here. You Say "article was a copy and past of the main article with no apparent changes or reason to be separate)" Now, Did you say that because it was me.--Michael (Talk) 09:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Many tks for that tidbit re. running against Drakeford, Nick - BTW, haven't forgotten your other suggestions from the ACR just because it's closed, will get round to them when I have a minute... ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 08:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
I reverted you when I meant to hit undo, apologies for a lack of an edit summary. I tend to take a little time to make edits, because I put a lot of thought into them, but I suppose 22 minutes seems like an eternity to many regulars. cygnis insignis 05:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a merge proposal and discussion on the talk page of this article. Inputs are welcome. Cla68 (talk) 00:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Aaaaahh! Almost had a heart attack. Whereever I go in the room, his creepy eyes follow me. :-) --Surturz (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
re: [11]. My mistake, should that have been "Fart Work Australia"? :-) --Surturz (talk) 12:30, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
o insinuate all sorts of errors and
Hi Nick, we have an IP editor who is hitting this article with a series of small edits without any edit summaries or discussion. Without going through a whole lot of references that I do not necessarily have to hand I can not tell whether the changes are legitimate good faith or not. Some of the changes do at least seem reasonable as simple copyedit changes, but this sort of activity makes me nervious. I have left a message on the IP's talk page, but I doube he will ever look at that. Any ideas? - Nick Thorne talk 06:38, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey Nick. I'm working on the PIAT article at the moment in my sandbox, and in a WT:MILHIST discussion a few weeks back you said you'd take a look and see if the Aussies made use of it; I was wondering if you could take a look at your sources and see if there's anything? I'd be greatful for anything, even a snippet - I'm having to dig through dozens of books just to assemble an Operational History section. Cheers, Skinny87 (talk) 13:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Hold on to your quick action revert finger for a moment! SilkTork *YES! 00:07, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments on this article's A-Class review - it's been an uphill struggle so far. Do you think it's ready yet for FAC - it took a beating last time round, and I don't want to renominate until it's ready. Any comments regarding points to address for FAC (rather than only A-class) would therefore be appreciated. Cheers Socrates2008 (Talk) 09:24, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Some says not knowing of some ugly truth is better for everyone. :-) That sounds eekish, but I found that he recently contacted one of the involved editors in the fiasco for that matter.--Caspian blue 14:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow an inspiration to us all to see good quality arts like that jump up in an anzac weekend (sic) - I put the malay and indon project tags on even if it correctly is about oz - good stuff! SatuSuro 01:33, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Well no need to even think of it after what you just did after that :) ahem - welcome to the circus - but hey about 40 of them are no longer editing or never been seen for over a year - should do a cleanup! SatuSuro 08:19, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Honoured to have you - hope its not too problematic for you at any point to be involved SatuSuro 08:24, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of Military history of Australia during the Indonesia-Malaysia Confrontation at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations on the recent success with the Take Ichi Convoy. It was promoted before I could vote for it. An excellent article on an event that I wasn't aware of until you wrote about it. Cla68 (talk) 03:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Recent revert then revert at 2002_Bali_bombings has concerned User:Glebesam and he has asked me how to go about resolving the issue - i thought I'd try opinions of some admins first - sorry to bother SatuSuro 11:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
BorgQueen (talk) 19:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I was informed by Teeninvestor that Tenmei created an (to me another one) attack page on me.[12][13] and continues his harassment campaign as forum shopping admins.[14][15] In this situation, what would I do except recording his behaviors?--Caspian blue 22:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Since you've well aware of Tenmei's subpages that have attacked you once and now me, would you give your opinion on this one? Thanks. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Attack_page--Caspian blue 00:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
As a member of the Bilateral relations task force, you maybe interested in this new page: Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations/Bilateral relations task force/Deletion Ikip (talk) 17:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
"Internet homicide" has commenced at Talk:Internet_homicide#Name. ↜Just me, here, now … 20:46, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick, thanks for the cite; I couldn't believe how much New Zealand pays, but obviously they are ready to pay that amount! (If it is in New Zealand Dollars it is not so bad, but still... ) anyway- thanks for the cite :-) --noclador (talk) 05:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Nick, would you be able to do me a favour? Could you use your admin mop-fu to access the last revision of the deleted article CFA Dispatch and tell me what the full prod deletion rationale was?
I think the rationale was mine (and much longer than the rationale given in the deletion log, but that's my fault for being wordy), and I think that the same or a similar rationale is appropriate for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Country Fire Service dispatch, but want to double check before I go and put my foot in my mouth.
If you could do this, thanks muchly. If you can't or unable/unallowed to, thanks in advance for your trouble. -- saberwyn 09:55, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, mate, sorry to trouble you but I was hoping you might help regarding a matter of policy. I am currently doing the GA Review on 7th Infantry Division (United States) and have a query about the public domain claim on one of the attached pictures. The picture in question is [[File:AttuSnow.jpg]]. I accept the pd claim as was definately taken before 1955, but my query is about the way in which it has been cropped. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the AWM requires its photographs to be used with the AWM watermark. Is this correct? And if so, does it negate the PD claim? I suppose that if the image really is copyright expired, then all rights also are expired and then in reality no attribution (i.e. watermark) is required?
Sorry if I am being verbose and indistinct. Do you see what I'm getting at? Any assistance in this matter would be great. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 06:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Not to sound rude, but where you are getting your information from? There is no "government policy" on "alterations" -- come on, that suggests "snipping" the numbers in Iraq and "stitching" together a war against the Taliban. The increased deployments to Oruzgan Province relate to the build-up in terrorist networks, and the organizational reforms in the new white paper relate more to the ADO than the ADF. Ottre 07:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thanks for your help with the Military history of Australia during World War I article. Your contributions and suggestions helped get it to GA status.
You probably have a few of these, but please accept this Barnstar as a token of my appreciation. Cheers.
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Thank you for your contributions and excellent suggestions in relation to the Military history of Australia during World War I article. Cheers. — AustralianRupert (talk) 03:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC) |
I have undone this version of the article, because the additions were unsourced (which violates Wikipedia:Verifiability), and were written in the first person (which is discoraged per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#First-person pronouns).
I note that the article has been the subject of edit warring recently, which is never good for the encyclopedia. I am posting this message to the talk pages of the involved contributors, and hope that they come here to discuss the issue and come to a solution, instead of resorting to coninual back-and-forth in the article itself. -- saberwyn 08:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your help, how do we get a flag up? I can't do it.--Woogie10w (talk) 13:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC) Here is the Flag of Papua New Guinea I don't know how to get it on the page--Woogie10w (talk) 22:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I have responded to your comments on the A-class review of this article. Please let me know what, if anything else, can be done. Thanks! -Ed!(talk) 23:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Dravecky (talk) 07:45, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Why Terendak Military Cemetery http://www.dva.gov.au/OAWG/remembering_war_dead/terendak/terendak.htm doesnt even get a mention on wikipedia - we have dead Australian vietnam war miltary interred there and the search comes up zilch? SatuSuro 13:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
A proposal for the solution of the Tang Dynasty case on ArbCom has been developed, in which several sanctions have been suggested for Tenmei. You may be interested in the ongoing discussion herediff.Teeninvestor (talk) 01:30, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Tenmei called you a "problem that has to be resolved". You may be interested in responding to this comment. diff.Teeninvestor (talk) 17:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Your participation in shaping the Forward air control article would be appreciated. Please see its talk page.
Georgejdorner (talk) 01:24, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
If you have served on any of these vessels or have any real positive contribution to make - fine! Been there done that. Out of here anyway - the whole Wikipedia project has become totally corrupt! Regards Medcroft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medcroft (talk • contribs) 22:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Dravecky (talk) 02:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
A bit odd that none of the other Aussies have chipped in.... YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 07:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll keep chipping away at it with the stuff that doesn't need any knowedlge. I have no military knowledge about anything except the stuff I write about directly. As you're in Canberra I was wondering if you could help with the Lake Burley Griffin FAR. I think my non-ACT status makes it harder for me to sense what is needed or where to look efficiently YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 06:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Are you fine with me changing the date formats to yyyy-mm-dd? at the moment, there is a whole mixture....YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 08:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
NYB has finished posting at proposed decision. You may want to comment.Teeninvestor (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Dravecky (talk) 02:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
How about starting the FAC on Military history of Australia during World War II? IMHO it's FAC and sufficiently stable…--Oneiros (talk) 00:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I've just started the FAC: All comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Military history of Australia during World War II/archive1 Nick-D (talk) 11:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Separating responses with lines prevents the problem of extensive replies sliding off the right side of the screen in endless retrogression.
I realize my method of response is unusual, but it is allowed by Wikipedia.
Georgejdorner (talk) 19:49, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I just started this article as a stub. I had a hard time finding anything on it post World War II, which means that I wasn't sure when the board ceased to exist. Cla68 (talk) 20:53, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
[16] rootology (C)(T) 17:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Check my edit summary [17] . Just having a moment of levity through satire, as MZ noted with "Though this thread is arguably better than any other currently on the page, so...." Happy editing to you. Keegantalk 08:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I apologise. Faulkner actually doesn't get sworn-in until the ninth, correct? Therequiembellishere (talk) 01:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I've recently tried to restore this page to a version which can be improved upon (a non-protected, non-disambiguation page) and I wondered if I could get your opinion about whether it is currently up to the quality which we expect of every Wikipedia article. I would appreciate your comments on the article at User:Cdogsimmons/Estonia–Luxembourg relations on the talk page there, and further improvements that would get it closer to inclusion status are always welcome. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
—Ed (Talk • Contribs) 02:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick - the material is still here [18] despite the speedy deletion. I'm not sure how to get rid of it - can you help? Thanks Jasper33 (talk) 08:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey there!
I am looking for some information from Shelby Stanton's Green Berets at War, which you list as having access too. I'm trying to expand/reference Project GAMMA, which your book should have info on from pages 211-214. Any info you could send me would be helpful, or if its easier you could just provide a reference or two yourself; whatever's most convenient.
Thanks for you time! Cerebellum (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I ssume this is the way to reply to your message about re-arranging (the disvcussion so it could be followed. I can see why it might be disruptive to edit a talk page and I thought seriously about it and simply moved discussions that were scattered over many pages under headings that are used in the article so that people new to the page might have a reasonable chance of seeing what had been discussed and what hadn't. Nothing else was changed except making new headings where relevant based on the Article headings, and making sub-headings for bits and pieces of discussion of those topics without changing their orginal titles or content. This talk page was getting extrordinarily difficult to use, and since editors with strong opinions are more-or-less civilly trying to resolve differences here rather than having revert wars on the main article, I was trying to be helpful. But I guess there's no way to check that, though the changes were explained. I guess it will just have to stay shambolic if that's Wikipedia policy. Regards Keepitshort (talk) 12:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Kaldari has proposed a replacement image. Please consider updating your !vote. wadester16 04:52, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused here. The nomination for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michelle Obama's influence on style and fashion was barely up for one day (if even that long). Aren't articles that are being discussed for deletion supposed to stay up for 7 days (aside from "speedy delete" articles, of course)? Ω (talk) 09:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick-D, I bumped into this newish article on Australian frontier wars while I was checking your talk page to see if there was an editor with knowledge of Martial Law, since I have dug out the sequence of proclamations in Tasmania by George Arthur and the Castle Hill one of 1804, and the one associated with Bathurst in 1824, and it's worth a sub-article. The point is that, since the Governor was both head of the Civil authority and Commander in Chief of the Military, what could he do by a Proclamation of Martial Law that he couldn't do by an ordinary Proclamation or even a Government Notice? Arthur used all, at different stages. The main Martial Law article is weak on British Empire applications, but they weren't uncommon, and there seems to be a formula, which we have probably inherited, even now. From what I've seen,the only extra powers seem to be (1) using Military rather than Civil Law to try offenders, and (2) enabling the Civil Power (ie Magistrates, ie major land-owners, or other "respectable" folk) to call on military assistance directly. Thus one part of this is a query if the Military History project has anyone on board who can help on an Australia sub-section in Martial Law that I'm working on at User:Keepitshort/TasmanianMartialLaw. And where, for example, does WP deal with more modern AU forms of Military assistance to the Civil Power, such as the use of NORFORCE for logistic support in the NT Emergency Response/ Intervention/ Invasion belong? And use of military in disasters? - which seems to be mainly under Martial Law at present, and mostly relevant to the US - eg Hurricane Katrina. And what about Martial Law applied to the Castle Hill rebellion, which was definitely a military and colonial conflict, though not directed at any "frontier" and not Aboriginal people. Or the Rum Rebellion, which was an Australia scale military coup-ette, and another Australian colonial conflict that is part of military history, which generated some interesting Proclamations after order was restored.
The other point is about the Australian frontier wars article itself. The refs are many, but meaningless since most are just an author's name, year, page. thus, not VRs, but whoever added them presumably has the book/s, and should fix, which no-one else can from the information given. More importantly, there's some "history wars in embryo" there, as with the whole "Terra Nullius" business, which I think belongs as a "Terra nullius debate" section in the History Wars article, not here. Fact-wise, what is here is wrong, or at least chasing the irrelevant red herring of the term "terra nullius", because the legal issue was ownership of "wastes", and the definition - not seriously tested until the Mabo decision - that all of Australia was a "waste" and thus the propery of the Crown, just as a "waste" was in the UK. This was actually assumed rather than declared for practical application until Governor ?Darling? disallowed Batman's treaty for the site of (now) Melbourne about 1835. What Captain Cook thought and /or wrote in his journals is neither here nor there, let alone whether anyone used the phrase "terra nullius". For example, the Royal Charter of the VDL Co in Tasmania, or the AA Co in NSW, in 1824/25, included a grant of "wastes" but it was up to the Governor/s to work out what was and wasn't a "waste". One only has to look across the Tasman to see that if the local residents objected violently and successfully enough, you got treaties PDQ (which were then ignored when the numbers were more favourable, mind you, as with the successive Xhosa Wars in the Eastern Cape at much the same time, and in the US: not sure about Canada.)
But in AU, until Mabo,the law was interpreted to mean that all unallocated land was the property of the Crown, so it had absolute right to say who could go where, as in Macquarie's Proclamation of 1816 that was associated with clashes near Sydney. And, if it leased it to a settler, and Aboriginal people went onto it, under Civil Law they were trespassers, etc. And if they killed someone, or vice versa, it was murder, while a Proclamation of Martial Law was nothing like a Declaration of war, since it simply changed the legal jurisdiction and the grounds of defence. So although these things were called "wars" at the time, according to the (British) law they were at most internal disturbances of the peace, and dealt with as such. Plus, the term "war" creates an impression out of all proportion to the scale, at least from the British point of view. The so-called "Black War" in Bathurst leads to - 75 troops being sent. And lastly,with a query over dates of self-government for colonies and the last use of troops, this is only "military" history in colonial times, not post 1901. So, wouldn't this be re-titled more appropriately as Australian colonial conflicts? Lastly,the accounts here are very different from, and at a quick check marginally better than, the accounts of the same things elsewhere in WP, so they should be harmonised. On the other hand, some of the "History Wars" notions being introduced, eg whether deprivation of land did or didn't cause starvation, are inappropriate, so can we have a article that just describes the clashes as they happened, and avoid inserting POV's from the History wars? I would appreciate your thoughts on how to keep this as a "Military history" article, rather than a battleground, before I do any editing on this topic. regards, Keepitshort (talk) 12:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, Nick-D. The Commons admins have decided that they are empowered to correct the license on this file, so it is okay for it to be added back to Military history of Australia during World War II. Sorry for the inconvenience. Jappalang (talk) 13:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks again for your help with the article. Cla68 (talk) 13:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Nick. Given your experience and interest in naval articles and the Australian military, I was hoping you would be able to provide me with some advice regarding the naming of an article? The other day I discovered a full listing of those who have held the position of Commander Australian Fleet and its preceeding positions, so I thought I would attempt to create a some what decent article on the position. However, I am unsure on exactly what the article's title should be, and I was hoping you would be able to advise me on this? There isn't much that actually states the proper title of the command, but I think it's Fleet Command Australia (or Australian Fleet Command, maybe?). Would you have any thoughts on the matter? Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
hi again Nick. Do you know anything about the Weston Foreshore development. It's been brougth up but I don't know where to start YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 02:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey Nick. Over at Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono (incumbent president of Indonesia), a list of publications by SBY has been added to the article. Is this appropriate? If so, what do you think is the best way to present them? The Indo project is a bit thin right now, so i thought about asking on the (always charitable) Australian notice board. Anyway, maybe you could reply on the SBY talkpage. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 08:28, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I've done some more work on it, added stuff about Kingston, and accounted for all the statements. I guess strcture and polish are remaining. Please do comment/reply on the structure. I think it's close to safety. Thanks YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 08:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Would you mind casting another quick glance over this article to give an appropriate updated thoughts? Cheers Buckshot06(prof) 12:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I will suggest you to acknowledge that I'm a person with independent criteria. So don't you try to recruit me. From the page you directed me to: The term meatpuppet is derogatory and should be used only with care. --Againme (talk) 16:46, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Cla, do you have any references on this operation? I recently created this article and am thinking of developing it to at least A-class standard. Thanks, Nick-D (talk) 11:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
No need for ref, by definition, read ch. 1 of this link. http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/1d1726425f6955aec125641e0038bfd6 Sea888 (talk) 18:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 03:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi there Nick. I just saw that you reverted my update of the civilian casualties number on the page War in Afghanistan (2001–present). If you take a second look, you'll see that the links point to the article Civilian casualties of the War in Afghanistan (2001–present), that the figures are from there, and that the previous figures had no other citations than that as well - the civilian casualties article is the citation. I had first updated that page with fully cited sources and then updated this page in turn. The earlier figures were also the result of my work, only they go up to December 2008 while this updates them to available estimates as of May 2009. If this makes sense to you, can you undo your revert? If not, I'll check back here to read your reasoning. Cheers 76.69.230.71 (talk) 01:06, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
It wasn´t my intention. I forget about the tag, I'm restoring it right now... Regards. --Againme (talk) 04:56, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
You ditched the Nelson Rumsfeld image...? Timeshift (talk) 23:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, I wanted your opinion on one thing and to ask you a question. I saw the article List of private contractor deaths in Afghanistan and thought that the article's name should be changed. Because, the article doesn't list only private contractors. Editors didn't only add contractors but also aid workers so it also lists foreign aid workers killed in the war. So I thought that the name should be changed to something like List of private contractor and aid worker deaths in Afghanistan. I wanted to ask you first because I saw that you recently protected the article from vandalism so I wanted to consult with you about the name change. Also, the question, this will be my first changing of the name of an article since I started editing here on Wikipedia two months ago - Do you change the name of an article using the 'move' option?LiquidOcelot24 (talk) 09:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Done YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 05:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
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Hello again, wanted your opinion again on another article you blocked, I guess from the same vandals. I was fixing a bunch of grammatical and style errors in the article Coalition casualties in Afghanistan and updating the number of UK soldiers killed since nobody was updating them and I saw another editor comment that the list of Danish soldiers killed should perhaps be made into a new page and replaced with a summary in that article. I would agree with this opinion, since the Danes are already mentioned in the lower part of the list, so then the same thing is mentioned twice in the article, and I hate repeating. So I thought it would be best to create an article in the style of those like the Canadian, German and UK forces casualties articles. What do you think?LiquidOcelot24 (talk) 14:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Looks like you'll have to do it if we're going to get anywhere. I don't know anything... YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 03:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the review, I did take some time thinking about SOE was it part of the army etc. --Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, please keep an eye on World War II Casualties. I had to revert unsourced material that 23prootie posted. I sent him a message reminding him about Wikipedia policy re: Reliable Sources. I hope this does not turn into an edit war. Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 02:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
I do not think it is nonsense, Wikipedia can be a little more humorous, it does not take away from the article at all. WP:Humor says we can add a little humor, I know it is a bit of a sensitive topic in Australia and all, but I fell it is appropriate. --Conor Fallon (talk) 18:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
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[[25]] I`m giving up....--Jacurek (talk) 07:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
User Proodie23 made some unsourced changes to WW2 Casualties, I asked him to discuss on talk page, his response was the talk page is full. This is a total didregard for the rules here at Wikipedia, the guy is a confirmed edit warrior!--Woogie10w (talk) 13:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I have started a thread on the Talk:World War II casualties# Werner Gruhl talk page re the recent posts ofUser:23prootie. I would appreciate your comments --Woogie10w (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I would appreciate your comments regarding the use of sources Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Sources for WW2 losses in Asia
Thanks --Woogie10w (talk) 23:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
I agreee, I am trying to prevent an edit war by getting comments on his source. He could destroy the article.--Woogie10w (talk) 23:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Please review my post at Talk:World War II casualties#Civilian Casualties in Asia. What is your opinion?--Woogie10w (talk) 21:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)