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before the question. Again, welcome! - Galloglass 09:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi Multiculturalist.
I see you have made several changes to the above article. For them to stand and not be reverted you need to add a reference for each change and statement made to the article. Otherwise its very likely that someone will roll back your changes. Thanks - Galloglass 09:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Galloglass. Unfortunately, there do not seem to be any website references for the changes I made to the SDP article - my amendments are all based on my own involvement with that party in the '80s: I'll see if I can find any hard back books that might provide suitable references. Most of my amendments are fairly non-contentious but I realise some of them may be rolled back. Cheers. Multiculturalist (talk) 01:09, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Norman Tebbit, please cite a reliable source for the content of your edit. This is particularly important when adding or changing any facts or figures and helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Off2riorob (talk) 21:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Off2riorob. Have now added internet source.Multiculturalist (talk) 10:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of previously published material to our articles as you apparently did to Norman Tebbit. Please cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. Legion fi (talk) 07:19, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
You appear to be involved in an edit war with another user over statements about Enoch Powell in the article on Edward Heath. I have added some citation needed tags to some of the statements. Please give the other user some time to find citations. If he/she fails to provide citations within a reasonable period, then deleting the statements would be reasonable.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Hi Toddy1, thanks for your comments. There are two minor reversions I have now made (one week after your comment) because not only has citation not been added but even if it were added it would not justify the impartiality of Schrandit's edit. The reference to Heath being a "confirmed" bachelor is meant as an insult, because this teminology is frequently used to imply a person is gay. There is nothing wrong with being gay, but there is still a social stigma attached to it (especially from people who occupy Schrandit's part of the political spectrum). Further more, it is not commonly held to be true that Heath was gay, yet the paragraph begins with the words "Publicly noted for his..." The passage which reads "This was in spite of widespread public support for Powell..." is clearly a value judgement remark which implies that Heath was wrong to sack Powell over his speech. Surely Wikipedia should be about historical record, not value judgement commentary.Multiculturalist (talk) 23:30, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia has policies of assuming good faith and not making personal attacks on other users. In your edit of 21:58, 23 November 2010 to Talk:Edward Heath you said of me that he is unlikely to take anything but an anti-Heath line. I think this remark by you is in breach of both policies (and is also untrue). Please remove the offending comment and post an apology.--Toddy1 (talk) 12:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
It wasn't a personal attack: it was an observation. You stated that Margaret Thatcher was probably the only good prime minister since the 1960s. That implies you do not think Ted Heath was a good prime minister - which, accordingly, suggests you would be unlikely to take a pro-Heath line. Multiculturalist (talk) 12:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. - Schrandit (talk) 22:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Outback the koala (talk) 22:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
That was the right place for that comment. I have looked into it a little bit and I can see that you obviously have strong opinions on the legacy of Mr Powell. Where you live is for all intents and purposes irrelavent, as long as you have reliable sources to back up what you say then that is fine. The article should not be pro-Powell or anti-Powell it should simply state the facts backed up by reliable sources and let readers decide. We need it to be neutral. I have put a few of the articles on my watchlist and will keep an eye out. Regards, Woody (talk) 08:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Edward Heath. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. - Schrandit (talk) 14:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
I have protected the articles Enoch Powell and Rivers of Blood speech due to the long-term edit war that has gone on. From the edit histories, you are an involved party. Please discuss the issues at Talk:Enoch Powell#Edit warring and come to a consensus instead of reverting. Woody (talk) 15:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Please be advised - WP:votestacking. - Schrandit (talk) 17:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you.
Impartiality shall reign (talk) 23:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments, but the commentary was not based upon my own personal analysis: it was based upon the sources provided (which chronicled very clearly that the EDL is a far right organisation with a violent track record). Multiculturalist (talk) 01:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you.
A simple search and a tone of sources would have been made available to you. The best thing a good wikipedian can do is find sources instead of simply removing them. Please help to expand articles rather than diminishing them. If you dislike the quote Baroness Thatcher made that is your opinion, but it is best kept at home. At least discuss any major changes to articles before acting on them. Thank you. Alexandre8 (talk) 12:43, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Who says Baroness Thatcher made the quote? She claims she did but Edward Heath claims that she made no protest at all about Powell's sacking. You have indicated on your user page that you are a Libertarian Conservative - surely then it is for you to provide a source if you wish for Baroness Thatcher's historical perspective to prevail. Multiculturalist (talk) 12:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Please check the page. I applied two sources. Thanks Alexandre8 (talk) 13:22, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. It's good to provide sources for assertions, especially when you choose to remove other assertions which are themselves properly sourced. I am, however, troubled by how similar the article cited in reference number 15 is to the Wikipedia article itself. Much of it is pretty identical word-for-word - not sure if the The Wikipedia entry is based on the sourced article or vica versa. There does seem to be the potential for problems here, in that references may be circular. As for Heath's remarks, I will attempt to provide a source for his refutatian of Thatcher's claims. Multiculturalist (talk) 13:40, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Perfect! This kind of analysis will go a long way in wikipedia. Making the previous kind of edits, even out of good faith, I don't know what your motives are, (judging by your name I can have a good guess), will not. What I don't want you to do is huff and "Accept" my changes as if I've won. That really isn't the aim. Wikipedians are a community who share resources and information to create the best and most accurate article they can. I would prefer you to understand why certain edits are made, and other are reverted instead of accepting them as "that's what's been done. Sometimes people forget that this is meant to be an online encyclopaedia. Again the more you read up on the regulations and guidelines the better a contributor you will become and the less your material will be reverted. I suggest you bring up a discussion in the box as to the material being the same. People can review and give their opinions. It does seem to me that one source has copied the other. Good luck. Alexandre8 (talk) 13:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Surely this guy's a troll —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.28.221.26 (talk) 20:35, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Could not agree more, its hard to take someone serious with the name 'multiculturalist', and viewing his/her history just reveals vandalism or false representation of right wing political parties.Anglo Pyramidologist (talk) 17:27, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I fully apologise for the language I used in my defence, please accept it. In return I would be grateful if you would kindly not throw around the words nazi's and racist willy nilly. They're strong and offensive. If you object to my opinions, I urge you to do in a fashion which is unlikely to provoke this "problem" again. Good luck in your further edits Alexandre8 (talk) 21:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate your apology. I'm not sure where I have used the term "nazis" (other than in drawing attention to the fact that one of the sources reported that some EDL demonstrators had used Nazi salutes) but am happy to leave it at that. Multiculturalist (talk) 00:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Its pretty obvious that Steveg is a sock, its not so obvious its Alexandre, there are a few candidates. Any particular reason for suspicion? I quick internet search shows one likely candidate based in Colchester, but the earlier IP is Sheffield. So the picture is muddled --Snowded TALK 09:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
He's a fool. I live in Russia, how on earth could we be the same person. Alexandre8 (talk) 12:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Please stop claiming or insinuating that Steveg79 is a sock of Alexandre8. For several reasons it does not seem very likely, and incorrect accusations only make the situation more difficult.
If you are really convinced that they are the same person, the only acceptable way of proceeding is to file a report under WP:SPI. I would do this myself if I felt there was a chance that it is successful. Hans Adler 13:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
If you want my opinion, I too think he's a sock. It's obvious, but the IP'#s make it clear it can't be me, and I don't think I can trust Multi to lead an investigation when he doesn't seem to want to research it in any detail at all. Alexandre8 (talk) 13:11, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
PS: See WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Steveg79. Hans Adler 13:33, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
My guess is that he used to make a lot of edits in the past. Got bored, and came back with a new alias.Alexandre8 (talk) 13:57, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the information provided by various contributors here. I probably shouldn't have made an accusation which was impossible to prove, no matter how strong my suspicions are. There is a clear consensus here that whatever the identity of the person behind him, Steveg79 is a sockpuppet. This sort of problem has the potential to seriously corrupt the quality of Wikipedia articles and I personally find it depressing. People on the far right (and I'm not aiming this remark at any individual) are invariably mendacious and deceitful - after all, their entire ideology is built on a lie. It's just a shame they have to use it to try and ruin this otherwise excellent on-line encylopedia. Multiculturalist (talk) 18:03, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Possibly linked to ip 94.196.206.131 - 86.190.53.86 similar editing techniques and similar time of appearance on WP editing. EDL POV pusher potentially - biased towards EDL agenda from edits - also clearly does not wish to see EDL linked to NF and CB18 so possible EDL member/Sympathiser and wants EDL to be portrayed in a negative light by what he considers contentious sources Not inexperienced editor as understands value of reliable sources and yet uses unreliable sources to support own agenda. attempts smear edits on people like Gerry Gable - Possible passionate anti communist. What i can conclude is that the editor is not a sock puppet but is most likely one of the unregistered editors editing WP:EDL in last few months who has registered to try and legitimatise his edits after gaining an understanding of how WP works and this has been done to pursue inclusion of edits in favour of EDL POV
PS if you want to know where i source my information you need only look at Steveg79 edit history from this date - 17:55, 28 January 2011 Johnsy88 (talk) 21:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Don't suppose I'll get an official acknowledgement from you. Just take more care next time please. Alexandre8 (talk) 15:30, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view
Please remind yourself of the guidelines, you're become offensive and obnoxious and completely unprofessional. I am quite clearly not the same person as that other man and to delete someone's post with little more than a suspicious is downright ridiculous. If you carry on like this you can expect me to report your behaviour. Please stop. Alexandre8 (talk) 11:01, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm asking you to tone down the rubbish in your comments. All your proposed edits about various aspects of the EDL have been extreme and widely unsourced anyway. You come home from school, add a load of crap to the talk page, and then go off again. Try putting on your scholar hat for once. I know this comment might make you cry, and I know you'll use it against me, but you're edits are throughougly useless in most cases. When will you stop? When the EDL page is a piece of UAF propoganda? really? that isn't going to happen so long as there are decent editors around so you may as well give it a break. comprendes? It's not about what you say, but how you say it (talk) 06:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Why are you posting under the name "It's not what you say, but how you say it" when your correct username is "Alexandre8"? Is it another ploy to make it seem as though more than one person shares your pro-EDL views? Multiculturalist (talk) 16:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
"The purpose of a Wikipedia talk page (accessible via the talk or discussion tab) is to provide space for editors to discuss changes to its associated article or project page. Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views on a subject." Have a reminder about the talk page It's not about what you say, but how you say it (talk) 19:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC).
That others have admonished you for logging in under multiple accounts is a statement of fact. You have now criticised me on my talk page under the user names of "Alexandra8" and "It's not what you say but how you say it" - which creates the illusion that I have been castigated by more than one person. I resent you coming onto my user page and shoving your pro-EDL rubbish down by throat. You are a typical "libertarian conservative" - someone who thinks he is at liberty to tell others what they may or may not think. Well, since you are on my user page I will tell you what I think: namely, that the EDL are the scum of the earth - and so are their apologists. Multiculturalist (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Please stop. The above comment is unacceptable and I have told Alexandre8 that and asked him to strike and apologise. That said Multiculturalist the last sentence of your comment is pushing the edge of acceptable behaviour. Even on your own talk page AGF violations are unacceptable. I really suggest that the two of you accept a voluntary restriction to stop commenting on each other in any forum. If one person breaks that rule just ignore it and leave it to other editors to handle it. --Snowded TALK 09:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Please do not add or change content without verifying it by citing reliable sources. Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources I've removed the unsourced edits as I cannot find any reports to corroborate the material, if you can provide reliable sources then feel free to try again. Thank you. --Shakehandsman (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Please do not add unsourced content, as you did to Norman Tebbit. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Geniac (talk) 03:03, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
If you make another personal attack on me I shall report you. We agreed long ago that this would stop,, but you're blatantly ignoring it. Alexandre8 (talk) 23:10, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Oh, hello my stalker. You told me to "give it a break" when I reverted some unsourced material, so I called you the "forum policeman". By all means report me, the Wikipedia authorities already know how seriously to take you. Multiculturalist (talk) 12:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
No you are vandalising countless pages by simply removing material that doesn't please you. And the WA are professional, unlike yourself. Alexandre8 (talk) 13:04, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Another personal attack? Multiculturalist (talk) 14:20, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks, but there's no need to welcome me to Wikipedia as I have been an editor for the best part of a year now. I fail to see why my edit was not constructive: I merely removed a piece of pro-BNP POV which had erroneously stated that "The BNP supports animal welfare". That is a biased statement and as such should have no place in the article. Multiculturalist (talk) 22:04, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Countryside Alliance. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.
In particular, the three-revert rule states that:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. GedUK 20:20, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice, but I think you'll find that I have not made more than three reversions on that page within a 24-hour period. Further more, I specifically started a section about this matter on the Countryside Alliance discussion page. My opponent - Alexandre8 - has added no comment to this, preferring instead to simply revert whatever I do. There is some evidence he is stalking me, because usually he only ever edits articles on race relations (a subject matter which is not connected to the Countryside Alliance). Multiculturalist (talk) 20:36, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
"May I venture to suggest that your grasp of the English language is about as good as that of the average BNP member?" - "Searchlight is highly acclaimed. The only people who oppose it are Nazis" ..accusing BNP supporters of murder, no citation .."friends or relations of black and Asian people who had been murdered by BNP supporters near the party's Welling HQ." - your propagation and vocalization that all BNP party members are Nazis is way out of line and a personal attack on a group of people.
Hi, from the thread at the ANI - your comments on the talkpage of the BNP article are attacking in general and attacking a group of people - groups of people are also protected by WP:BLP and BLP protection applies just as much on a talkpage as in an article space - please stop your attacking comments or I will request your editing privileges are restricted, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 19:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
"It's pretty clear that the BNP does want to establish a dictatorship, and at the very least the source provided by Kids4Fun proves that some BNP members advocate this, but somehow I doubt you'll get anything even mildly critical of the BNP past Alexandre8. Multiculturalist (talk) 14:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)" / Learn quickly don't you multiculturalist. Alexandre8 (talk) 20:44, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Dear Multiculturalist - could you please remember WP:CIVIL in your dealings with the BNP page. WP works best when we all try to reach consensus and apply the agreed rules. There is no cause to get heated, even on such a contentious page.--Red Deathy (talk) 11:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Multiculturalist — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxonshield (talk • contribs) 12:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Hilarious! They did not even have the courtesy to inform me on my Talk Page that this had happened. To top it all, we have a BNP member (Saxonshield) accusing me of being a sockpuppet - but I'm not even allowed to defend myself against this baseless allegation as it appears I have been blocked from contributing to the page where the accusation is being discussed. So then, what was the result of the investigation into my alleged sockpuppetry? Did the authorities find that I shared an IP address with other users? No, of course they did not. Any apology? Thought not! Well done, guys, you've got your way - now you can continue to edit the EDL and BNP articles with your own malevolent views without me getting in the way. Multiculturalist (talk) 09:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
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