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on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! and Bruchim Haba'im IZAK 07:27, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Meshulem, do you know anything about Burshtin (Hasidic dynasty), about it's existence etc.? there is currently a vote for deletion going on Here. Shlomke 21:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Meshulam, hope you had a enjoyable peisach. Regarding the last comment on my page about Burshtin, I wasn't sure who you ment but I figured it was about the "defender" of the article. The problem is that some new editors of Chasidic Judaism related articles know very little or nothing about Wikipedia policy like Wikipedia:Manual of Style. There is also a great need for such editors here. There was a special "messege" proposal for those knowledgeable about Chasidisim, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#The Wikipedian Hassidim. The messege will invite them to come to Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism where they will see whats needed to be done for judaism related stuff and also how to Keep to WP policy's. I just left one on Sunny123's page. (He sure got some klep on his page).
Btw, thanks for the input at the Chabad article. Shlomke 08:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's the Messege:
Shlomke 08:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 17:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Would you ahppen to know the source of a story that I have seen floating around the internet that the Toldos Avraham Yitzchok became a Chabad Chosid according to the Shita of the Strashele? --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 04:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Meshulam, were you able to find the copys of of the will's on that site? Shlomke 18:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Also, your doing alot of work here with the Hasidic dynastys, you might want to add you name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism#Directory of participants. Shlomke 18:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
M, to say the Rebbe is the last Rebbe is pov; we will find out over the next few years whether that is true or not; for now to say he is the latest is correct, it may mean others will follow, or it may mean that he is the last. Incorrect 03:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Incorrect 17:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)M, only G-D knows whether there will be another Rebbe. Since I certainly (and you to my best knowledge) are not give G-dly powers, I don't understand how you can speak with such certainty on that point. It may be your belief, hope, prayer, etc. but by definition it can't be to your knowledge.Incorrect 17:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
/Numbers/ M, I expect your knowledge in this area is superior to mine - how do we go about getting good estimates of numbers for the various hassid groups out there; the information must be available somewhere. Incorrect 06:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for looking.Incorrect 16:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
seeing your discussions about Chabad, i'm pointing you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liozna
Layla Tov!gevaldik! 06:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hasidic_Judaism#Question_about_How_Many_Chasidic_Jews_exist
KT, JJ211219 20:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Quit your Zionist slander and lies. See my talk page. --Daniel575 | (talk) 22:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello. You have been blocked from editing for 24 hours due to a 3RR violation. Please be more careful in the future. Thanks in advance. בברכה, El_C 09:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to discuss the issue. I do think it improves wikipedia when there can be a rationale understanding of the different sides of an article. My issue with the use of the phrase "Jewish Prophet" was that I felt it was an attempt to monopolize claim to the message Moses came with. I know in the Jewish faith, Moses is revered as a Prophet; he is also viewed as Prophet in Islam. However, Moses in Islam should not be called a jew as he was one who believed in and followed true Islamic monotheism; the only difference between him and Muhammad was that some of the laws. To single him out as a "Jewish Prophet" dismiss the Islamic claim to him. Similarly, given the nature of the change to the article, I felt it this phrase needed to be amended. If my explanation was unclear, I wouldn't mind trying to be more articulate. ZaydHammoudeh 08:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Meshulam:
see my replies on SlimVirgin's page. Bellbird 13:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I just realised that I left my latest reply above your comment in SlimVirgin's page - oh well. I should probably stop using text-only browsers - they aren't working as a way to dissuade me from logging in during work hours ;) Bellbird 12:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
You reverted my changes to the article, so that it once again presents the IDF version of events as objective fact.
It is not "paranoia" to not automatically accept this version. Israel has an extraordinarly large and active "intelligence community" which would be easily capable of forging a few documents.
What I'm saying is Wikipedia should not accept the claims made by one side of a war against the other side, especially when the only corroborating evidence could very easily have been forged.
Eleland 18:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Btw friend, you might be interested to stick your teeth into the original article of 1929 Palestine riots. From here the Hebron article was created, and now there are 2 versions. This earlier version needs to concentrate on the other killings and also remove some of the POV against Jews there. Note that a very pov introduction was removed by me in the past, and there are users who might want to push that in again. it will be under heavier attack from specific users you can see in history of that page. Amoruso 08:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
You had some questions that, with respect, we've answered in the Zvhil discussion. Hope that clears things up and you find it helpful.--ChosidFrumBirth 12:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Meshulam: You should avoid this kind of move (the hasty nomination to delete Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medzhibozh (Hasidic dynasty)) because it's a slippery slope and could lead to the nomination for and deletion of similar articles about smaller Hasidic dynasties - by people who are not experts and don't care - with unintended consequences. Votes to delete are open to the world and you are inviting people who have no idea what this topic is about at all to cast a vote, which is very unfair and lacking insight. It seems that you may have been better off trying to add a ((merge to)) template or considered MERGING the material at some point perhaps and WAITED (at least a month!) to do so. You should also have first started a discussion at a number of places where people who know something about this topic could have given their intelligent input, such as at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism and Wikipedia talk:Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week. Or you could have contacted other editors who deal with topics like this to solicit their views. This action of your is extreme and I do not condone it. I urge you to withdraw this nomination. Thank you. (I am cross-posting this message on a couple of relevant places, to get people's attention.) IZAK 10:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry we got off to a bad start. Sometimes, the lack of inflection can make anyone's criticism seem overly harsh. On the other hand, perhaps I have been too harsh. Either way, I hope we can put any problems aside. For clarification purposes, I do not have a personal issue with R' Korff. I nominated the article for deletion because I believed there were issues with it. I will continue to work on editing it to make sure that it is accurate, and complies with Wikipedia policy. As you know, from learning Gemara, enduring criticism leads to perfection. I hope that between your knowledge of Zhvill-Mezbuz and some other editors criticism (including my own), we can arrive at a finished project that is both informative and accurate. I hope this helps. Either way, it looks like we'll be stuck with each other: the editors of articles about Chassidus on Wikipedia form a small community. Take care, and have fun.--Meshulam 21:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Thank you so much for this. I really appreciate it. With that approach I don't feel "stuck" with you at all, and look forward to cooperating with you in any way I can. Although I am not one of the Rebbe's hasidim (I have communicated with him but haven't really met him yet), he is a distant cousin on the Chernobyl side through Tolne and I do know a good deal about his family and Zvill-Mezuz. Let me know what I can do to help -- I will keep an eye on the related pages (as well as others). Please don't be offended at all if I correct what you or others may edit. I will only do so if I am sure of my facts. Again, thank you. (I don't know if you get this here or if I have to put this on your page -- I will do so there, but please let me know proper procedure or protocol.) --ChosidFrumBirth 22:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)--ChosidFrumBirth 22:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
BS"D
In your message on Wiki talk Hebrew You said the ashkenazic of Sfat Emet is Tzfas Emes, It's not. It's Sfas Emes. --Shaul avrom 20:56, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at Daniel's page. Yossiea 19:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Not a strange request at all, but perfectly reasonable. I've removed the names from the user page. SlimVirgin (talk) 13:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Until he decides to become a Jew again, he is considered a goy for all purposes. His exact status is a matter of dispute. If I recall correctly, the Rambam says he becomes a plain goy and will need to do a giur to become a Jew again. --Daniel575 | (talk) 15:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, please join in the discussion on the Noahide Laws talk page about cleaning it up etc. Thanks! Chavatshimshon 08:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusing edit summary. I thought I was on HaEdah HaCharedis. My browser is having some trouble. --Erliche Yid 16:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I didn't initiate the deletions -- Greenbrook checked and said we each had the right to delete our own comments, particularly if we found out our comments were wrong, so we both deleted our own comments (he did it for me). So I've reverted it. On the other Zvl page I just noticed the deletions there, but I do agree with whoever did it. Putting aside our own personal feelings, if wrong information has been resolved, shouldn't the discussion, which includings misleading information and could be libels, be archived at some point? I've left that one alone for the moment. Thanks. --ChosidFrumBirth 13:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Got it - thanks. But what about statements like "he's not respected" which was deleted from the article after discussion (I wasn't involved in that) -- shouldn't something like that be archived somehow as being outdated or irrelevant or misleading; what about things that are blatantly wrong in any article -- do they stay up forever? There should be some mechanism for archiving once issues are resolved, no? --ChosidFrumBirth 15:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding [1] the edit is a content dispute, not vandalism. Please don't call it as such (in any event, it would be good to source the entire section which is woefully lacking in sources for such a controversial topic). JoshuaZ 00:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigating edit wars. —— Eagle 101 (ask me for help) 01:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Mesh, do you have specific articles I can take a look at in particular and what the relevant matters are? Also, note that I can't protect things simply due to an editor putting in conent. Protection occurs if multiple users are repeatedly edit-warring over content and then it occurs with no regard to what version was protected. JoshuaZ 04:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm impressed with the lengths to which you're willing to go to defend your Rebbe. I know very little about him (other than what I posted earlier). But the fact that he has such a Chosid like this speaks volumes about his gadlus. (This is not to cause anyone to have gaavah... the comment was purely about the Rebbe :-P ). Keep it up. --Meshulam 02:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the "compliment" I think. You sound like an interesting person yourself (and you seem to know quite a lot about the Rebbe, tho not all of it accurate or from reliable sources without an agenda) -- ever get to the New York area? --ChosidFrumBirth 15:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Haven't heard back from you -- everything OK? --ChosidFrumBirth 18:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Yet again, this IP is him.Yossiea 18:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I suggest marking any of the facts which you consider to be particularly suspect with fact tags. I'm a bit busy right now, but I'll try to take a look at the concerns in more detail when I have time. JoshuaZ 22:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Meshulam: you edited Der Yid to the following:
Der Yid does not use standard YIVO Yiddish. Instead, it uses a Yiddish dialect more commonly spoken by religious Jews.
The YIVO standard is a standard for spelling Yiddish, not for speaking it. Can you please rewrite your edit so that it makes sense (since you didn't like my much more amusing edit). --Redaktor 13:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Are you the same person as Meshulam Feish Segal, Rebbe of the Tosher Chassidim...? Noogster 23:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Controversies_of_Chabad-Lubavitch --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:36, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
How do I report "Bear and Dragon" as a socketpuppet of Daniel575? --Historian2 14:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Please give your view on Talk:Modern attempts to revive the Sanhedrin. Despite the fact that we disagree quite often, I would value your view. --Bear and Dragon 13:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
A long-simmering editorial dispute between Klezmer (talk · contribs) and ChosidFrumBirth (talk · contribs) over how to deal with information about certain Hasidic topics has reached the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. Please see and provide any helpful input at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-29 Mezhbizh (Hasidic dynasty). Thank you, IZAK 16:01, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
BS"D
On his User page, the seforim list matches his list on Dutch Wikipedia+chovos halevovos. Its takeh got to be Daniel --Shuliavrumi 12:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I meant exactly that. There was a lot of incivility, accusations of religious motivation, all of those wonderful types of things. If you didn't do that, I didn't mean you. If you did, then I did. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd appreciate your comments on the Chabad article talk page. I feel sources in the messianism controversy section are being mis-summarized by an admin, and want a second opinion. Thanks. Abe Froman 22:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I retrieved this from the Abe.Froman user talk files because I want to reply:
I do not know what "contributions" you suggested, but by your tone, it sounds like you were attempting to do a hit piece. Calling Chabad a "cult grop" and "opportunistic religious fanatics" is fairly POV. If your edits betrayed that POV, then they were violative of Wikipedia policy. I read the page, and I don't see these fatal flaws that you talk about. Finally, when asking for my help on an article on an article, you should be careful before the subject of your edits "parasites." It appears as though this conversation is over.--Meshulam 01:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
My discussion with the Chabad editors came just before Abe.Froman tried editing the article. All you need to do is look. Below is part of what I said. I am not anti-Chabad, but actually feel very close to them, and have had a lot of discussion with some of their rabbis. But there is no denying that there are points of disagreement.
As fond as I am of the Chabad teaching, I have to tell you guys that this article reads like a promotional piece, and not like an encyclopedia article. Even the "Controversies" section manages to avoid mentioning any of the real criticism that has exists, and that has been published. If nothing is done to improve the article I will tag it for its non-neutral point of view. Kwork 21:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I took another look at this article, and really it amounts to Chabad propaganda. This is to the point where I think there are grounds to nominate it for deletion. I have tagged the article for its lack of neutrality. I understand that strong personal beliefs are involve in this article, but Wikipedia is not about promoting one's personal beliefs, or promoting one's favorite religious organization. There are plenty of Chabad web sites that do that already. Wikipedia articles here are supposed to have a neutral point of view. Kwork 12:16, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
I had suggested that the material about the Chabad outreach and service activities be put in a separate article, leaving the emphasis in the main article on the Chabad history and the (most important) Chabad spiritual teaching. I thought, and still do think, that this would improve the article considerably because most of what gives the article its current promotional quality is associated with the pitch for that part of their work.
The Chabad editors are very dedicated, and very effective at preventing unwanted changes; and in disgust with Wikipedia (because the main fault is in Wikipedia) I had my user page deleted. However, just the other day I discovered I can still sign my user name....Kwork 18:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
For your remarks on my user page. They are noted. Please participate in the discussion on Talk:Neturei Karta. As I wrote there: it must be clarified that the vast majority of NK adherents DO NOT support Ahmedinejad and Hamas. Hirsch's faction is a tiny faction of radicals/extremists, as Odenheimer says. Odenheimer is a much more reliable source than Arutz Sheva or the ADL; I assume that you do understand this, unlike some of our Zionist editors... --Eidah 09:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
user eidah tries pouting al Jewish pages with some statements against Zionism in this category i see u had this issue before in the pages itself please comment on this issue as well thanks very much--יודל 15:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Please see the article and talk page for yidisheryid's edits and POV pushing. Yossiea (talk) 14:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi, there is currently a discussion about the notability of Rabbi Shraga Hager your insight on this would greatly be appreciated[2]. Have a beautiful day--יודל 13:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Where did you get the information about Rav Moshe saying that one should not say "first flowering of the redemtion"? I thought Rav Moshe never talked about Zionism! (Please respond to me on the user talk:TorahTemima)
Hello! Rabbi or Mr. Meshulam. I am relativelly new in the Wikipedia, but I see that the Zionists made themselves very comfortable here, and are attacking everyone that believes different then them. I have created the Yishuv haYashan article, which is something important historically speaking. I see they are trying to remove any information about the Haredim who didn't participate in the Zionist movement. Furthermore the whole history of the Yishuv haYashan Kollelim was ignored but instead an article about Halukka in a negative spotlight. They are trying to persuade that all those who did for our brothers in Eretz Yisroel were Zionists. I would suggest that we incorporate in a WikiProject:Yishuv haYashan or WikiProject:Torah Judaism in order to clearify the facts.
HagiMalachi (talk) 16:33, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
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