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Thanks for reviewing the above article. It's obviously a new article, but not an insubstantial one at 22kb. However, I'm puzzled at the "start class" designation since I've raided all available sources for it and, I believe, it is quite thoroughly organized. Could you indicate what stops it being a c- or even B-class article? I've seen a lot of B-class articles which are significantly less well-sourced and well organized. Thanks. DeCausa (talk) 21:46, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Sorry for the late response, I left my opinion about changing the Mafia Template on its talk page.
I came across these two articles Italian American Mafia crime families and List of American mobsters by organization and I think it would be a good if there were merged. There is already an article for List of Jewish American mobsters and two for List of Irish American mobsters by era and List of American mobsters of Irish descent (the two Irish mobster list should also be merged what do you think.--Vic49 (talk) 16:45, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Here are my thoughts on merging. To my current knowledge the articles to consider include:
List of Mafia crime families
Italian American Mafia crime families
List of American mobsters by organization
List of mobsters by city
List of crime bosses
List of Jewish American mobsters
List of Irish American mobsters by era
List of American mobsters of Irish descent
List of criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates
These articles are to some extent overlapping and this makes for redundancy. Some of these lists however are good for navigation because they limit the inquiry to a specific field (crime bosses, cities) and are worldwide in content. If a few articles are merged and then linked up with the others, I think it's possible to achieve clarity in this area even though it seems rather cluttered right now (e.g., instead of having names listed in List of mobsters by city for Italian-American mafia members, replace it with a link to the exhaustive list we achieve by the merger). I guess my proposal is basically what you have in my mind: I suggest we move all non-Italian American content from American mobsters by organization to more specific articles. The List of Jewish American mobsters is a suitable title because there is not much content about Jewish American gangs per se, but primarily individuals. There is more of this for the Irish, but I think the List of Irish American mobsters by era will suffice to cover this subject. Then we merge List of American mobsters by organization with Italian American Mafia crime families. I'm not sure what the best title for the merged article will be; it will be a list of all Italian-American Mafia families and their members. Might just stick with Italian American Mafia crime families as the title. Then we can also include associates which I think is appropriate; I'm thinking that if one looks under the Lucchese family one should be able to find Henry Hill there, but with a note of his associate status.
Another issue altogether is how this article should be structured for optimal clarity and content (I think the list should be quite specific, say divided down by crews/factions to the extent possible). But if you agree with my proposal above, we could begin by removing the non-Italian American content from List of American mobsters by organization and merging the Irish American ones. Then it will be easier to decide how the "raw" content should be presented. It should be said that the List by family looks much better then the List by organization, but I'm sure this can be further improved after merging. Shoplifter (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I just noticed that this article must be taken into consideration as well: List of Italian American mobsters. But this might be a good thing, a simple alpahetical listing would make a good complement to the family-based article outlined above. Shoplifter (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I changed the Mafia template so its only related to Sicilian Mafia. See Template talk:Mafia#Proposed change/new look What do you think? --Vic49 (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Still looking for sources? ← ZScarpia 14:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
The template looks good, I made a few changes. For your question the imprisoned members should stay in the current members section; even with many serving long prison terms (even life) they are still active with the crime family.
I was planning on making the Genovese family template next (thanks) now one should be made for the Bonanno, Colombo and Gambino families. --Vic49 (talk) 21:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Please seize inserting the "2011 Syrian uprising" template into every possible Syrian related article. I assume WP:GF, thus i don't turn to discussing your case on Administrator's noticeboard. I kindly ask you to revert your recent edits (except those directly related to 2011 Syrian uprising, and those i reverted myself).Greyshark09 (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I think the article should be put up for Articles for deletion, to allow others to comment. I believe David Critchley is right about the "Antonio Morello situation" (was misidentified). Throughout Critchley's book he uses references to support all of his facts. Critchley has studied the early history of New York City's Mafia extensively.--Vic49 (talk) 22:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
The Morello's were called the "107th street Mob" in the early history.
Hi, check this out: Black Hand Suspect Was Bled Himself; Ignazio Lupo, Called Gang Leader, Says the Organization Took Everything He Owned. Once Rich, Now Bankrupt Man Arrested In the Barrel Murder and Long Watched by the Police Comes Back to Face Creditors. And this 150 Years In All For The Lupo Gang; Eight of the Counterfeiters Get Terms Ranging from Fifteen to Thirty Years. There is loads of stuff in the NYT archives. - DonCalo (talk) 18:47, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for finishing the Gambino template.
I was thinking that perhaps now the main Template:Five Families should be converted to contain all five of the relevant templates, but I don't know how to do this, and I couldn't find an example of that sort of master templating immediately. Do we even still do that? --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 23:32, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
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I finished the DeCavalcante crime family template. --Vic49 (talk) 15:26, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
Shoplifter, your user name is obviously grossly inappropriate. I suggest you change it. Conservative Philosopher (talk) 07:02, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
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