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Thanks, Ombudsman. However, I think I'm pretty used to editing in Wikipedia, a thing I've done for almost three years. You know, with all due respect, "canned" encouragement can be counterproductive... :) --Ciroa (talk) 09:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say that you are exactly right on the issues with the Bay of Pigs article. I hope that you will find the desire to improve it ... for Wikipedia's sake. Redthoreau (talk Redthoreau 15:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I wouldn't dare to touch that article without a couple of years of reading serious sources about that incident, because public information about this case is always biased. Cuba won, who cares about bitter comments 50 years later? Is only in a few cases that Latin American countries can say that the sword is mightier than the pen...--Ciroa (talk) 09:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank You for your honesty and unbiased integrity... this is very much appreciated. From Middim13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.29.67.53 (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. After reading your talk page, I'd dare to say that it's always hard to tackle the american defense industry view of history, even about marginal events. Good luck in your quest, and relax, my man... you're never alone in this wide world.
==USS Holland SS-1==
As you most likely know, I have been banished (for an indefinate period) from making edits on Wikipedia, as "they" say I haven't properly "sourced" my references. (Whatever...) That's fine, as I accomplished what it was I was trying to do in the first place, and that was to set certain "distorted" records straight - as never honestly done before in regards to early modern submarine history... i.e. John Philip Holland's company. U.S. Navy Ships have been named after those who took credit for the contributions of others... i.e. Electric Boat's General Manager, Frank Taylor Cable, and the company's Director, Lawrence York Spear. Both men failed to acknowledge the pioneering work of the man who came before them i.e. Arthur Leopold Busch as they conspired in silence to distort the actual set of events that transpired for their own self-serving purposes. Over the years, this company (Electric Boat/General Dynamics) has promised me that: "We will make every effort to remind people of your g-grandfathers role while pioneering our first submarines". Problem here is that they have made no such effort to "set company records straight" as they promised they would do - as they continue in their ways to suppress and distort their history for their own "selfish" aggenda's that leads to a different version of events that do not accurately reflect on the company's true origins, and just who did what/where/when/how/why etc. The book The Defender, "The Story of General Dynamics" points out the fact that the company "takes refuge in very poor memories" as they only remember what they want, telling us only what they want us to know... also that they are known to be "steeped in scandals" since their inception as EB...
I thank you again for you interest and sincerity. From Middim13
Hi, from Middim13
Could you please help me out with somthing regarding the USS Holland/John P. Holland article. Bill Cat has "once again" interupted another article with his biased agendas that don't always lead to the facts. He seems to have quite a large amount of knowledge over a wide spectrum of issues and topics, but I believe he is (somewhat) misinformed about this one. Personally, I have only contributed to articles in which I have (a considerable amount of) knowledge about, therefore, I won't make edits to something that I know little about. I don't think the same could be said of BillCat... as he just sits at his computer all day making changes to 1000's of articles, some of which are legit, others are just what he believes to be the case. He has removed Arthur L. Busch's contributions to these two sites. You had previously made an edit to the USS Holland site properly stating a source for that information. He has deleated (your edits) recently and I hope you can do this system a service by reinstateing the edit that you made several months ago. Thanks for your help and (unbiased) understanding of the information within. Can you intervene the John P. Holland article as well. Thank you again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.96.235 (talk) 19:54, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I hope that you come back to Wikipedia soon. Thanks for your understanding and concern.
Hi, from Middim13
Could you please help me out with somthing regarding the USS Holland/John P. Holland article. Bill Cat has "once again" interupted another article with his biased agendas that don't always lead to the facts. He seems to have quite a large amount of knowledge over a wide spectrum of issues and topics, but I believe he is (somewhat) misinformed about this one. Personally, I have only contributed to articles in which I have (a considerable amount of) knowledge about, therefore, I won't make edits to something that I know little about! I don't think the same could be said of BillCat... as he just sits at his computer all day making changes to 1000's of articles, some of which are legit, others are just what he believes to be the case. Anyhow, he has removed Arthur L. Busch's contributions to these two sites. You had previously made an edit to the USS Holland site properly stating a source for that information. He has deleated (your edits) recently and I hope you can do this system a service by reinstateing the edit that you made several months ago. Thanks for your help and (unbiased) understanding of the information within. Can you intervene the John P. Holland article as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.118.180 (talk) 23:05, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, Middim13, but I think I'm not in the position to correct Mr. Cat, I have not the knowledge.--Ciroa (talk) 21:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I presume your were referring to my undoing of 200.118.72.102's edit? I agree with your changes. They seem unimportant to the subject. You did not step on my toes, but you are welcome to continue with your efforts along those lines. I believe that I saw the removal, clicked on the diamond article saw it was good then reverted. I do hundreds of vandalism removals (hopefully vandalism) each day, so I don't recall the specifics of my thinking. A good edit summary always helps stave off the vandal patrol! Thanks for your contributions. Jim1138 (talk) 21:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I've reverted some of your edits - Creationism isn't confined to Protestant Christians, eg List of Catholic creationist organisations. If I've reverted anything else you think needs restoring, feel free, but the Protestant bit was simply wrong. Dougweller (talk) 06:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello Ciroa. Thank you for your attempts to update the article. Brilliant :) --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:18, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
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Hi! About this edit, there's nothing unusual about officials of safety investigation boards not blaming anyone. The purpose is to find causes to prevent future accidents, not to apportion blame. Therefore, what the colonel is saying is nothing unusual. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback. Generally in order for an article to refer to something as "curious"/"strange"/etc there needs to be an RS or columnist/journalist who says "this is strange/curious" - Since this controversy occurred it's a good idea to gather all of the sources involved and cite them to show that there is this controversy. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:43, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. The reason why I know the adjective is not necessary is due to the principles in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch . While "curious" is not specifically listed Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch think about the examples there. The use of "curious" seemed to be editorializing. It was the editor's opinion that it was "curious" - that is not needed in an encyclopedia article. Instead find a reliable source that says specifically what is happening with it.
Also the principle of WP:V is that information must come from published sources - truth is not the criterion for inclusion. It is verifiability. I have to be able to look at a published source and find the information in it. So we rely on published sources to tell us "this is unusual" or "this is strange" - we cannot say so if published sources don't say so.
Also be careful of Wikipedia:Synthesis: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." WhisperToMe (talk) 17:19, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your edits on this article. A definite improvement. People who hear of these stories can now come to Wikipedia and get the correct sourced information. However, what does "in that tonic" mean? (This edit) Richard-of-Earth (talk) 08:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
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