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he or she is a piece of work.
you wont notice it because pcpcpc has deleted it from its talk page, but i made a few polite suggestions a while back, and pcpcpc's response was just insulting.
Pcpcpc does not deal with other editors in a community spirit and i see no point with dealing with Pcpcpc anymore.
i notice you have received much of the same. Xtra 00:44, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The exchange referred to by Xtra is crossposted below, from this version of User talk:Pcpcpc. It was deleted from there after a few minutes, as is Pcpcpc's custom, simultaneously with this edit on his userpage, which describes how badly he has been treated. Pcpcpc's talk page history contains countless other examples of a conspiracy of Wikipedia old timers persecuting and newbie-biting him.
Philip, I came here to remind you of something, but since I see you on this page still taking offence at polite suggestions wherever they offer the slightest opening for it, it hardly seems worth it. Apparently you still regard yourself as a "newbie" deserving of extra special wikilove but with no reciprocal duties of courtesy. It was a strange concept to begin with—most new users don't seem to entertain it in that form—and it's stranger now.
Your claim to "doing other people's work for them", as you write above, is simply unreasonable, apart from being badtempered. Everybody's a volunteer on Wikipedia. It's not anybody's duty to do any work: not for instance to add cats, to create cats, or even to get it right when they try to do these things. (I get annoyed at malformed cat trees too, but I'm resigned to the fact that the logic of cats defeats some people). It's not your duty either, nobody's forcing you to, as far as I know: I'm sure you're doing excellent work, that it is a very valuable project for Wikipedia, but then who is Wikipedia? If you don't like the work, don't do it. You needn't bother to blacklist me, I won't trouble you again.--Bishonen | Talk 00:27, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Crosspost ends.
Did you intentionally leave that on Pedant's RfA? If so, what's it mean? —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 01:09, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, you don't have to apologize to "butt in" - getting a message from a non-german wiki is still one of the nicest things which have happened to me within wikipedia. In regards to "Short view..." Andreas has looked it up in a very large german literature lexica (the famous "Kindlers Literaturlexikon") and there its called "A short view..." - we have therefore moved it to "A short...". Nevertheless, within the german wikipedia I think users will mainly find it through the linkages within other articles ... Still, since I have translated it, two users have (to my utterly surprise) already gave comments on it on the discussion side...which proves, that articles really do get read. STill, I will make use of the hints to even further link it ... BS Thurner Hof 19:48, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Yes its amazing I had a look at it a while ago, and made one small change (Ludwig IV to XIV) my German is a bit lapse but it seemed OK to me, on the archiectural side, your bit was a little to complicated for me to fully compprehend. V busy at the moment so not mch time to edit at all. Matthew Brettingham must have been the fastest and least painful FA ever, I may start a category just for him! Hope all well Giano 07:15, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I see exactly what you mean. Sorry I can't join on IRC for a couple hours, but I'd sure like to talk about it more when I can. :) -- Netoholic @ 20:49, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)
This is a really interesting article--very well researched and completely thought out. (Think if what you'd have charged if you had been commissioned to write it!)
If I were forced to name a part that I was not completely sure about, it would be the Dunce section--specifically, the excursus on Pope and the Dunciad. I know this is a key part or Cibber's interest, but the level of detail seems to go way up here, and we almost get more Pope that Cibber. Maybe this section could be organized as more of a narrative, which might highlight the back-and-forth between Pope and Cibber and help the reader to place all the details? Just a thought.
The only other tiny thing I noticed was the use of the present tense in the Autobiography section. It's a matter of personal taste, but I wonder if the gain in immediacy is worth the loss in uniformity.
But these are all very minor points. It's a great article. PRiis 23:25, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Yes, he's goimg to get his come uppance sooner or later, but I suspect this is not going to be the occassion. If he were nor so bombastic one could almost pity him. Giano 11:10, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I am sympathetic to afu's difficulties. Or would be, if he could bear them with so much as a grain of good grace. But it simply cannot be an editors' task to educate people who insist writing on topics they do not understand, in a language they have difficulties expressing themselves in, in a community the rules, principles and conventions of which they have no interest in learning about. WP is not a free-as-in-beer university. If I decided to contribute to the Italian WP (a language I imagine I am about as fluent in as afu is in English), I should be careful to confine myself to Talk pages. I would not expect people to educate me in Italian, in the subject I choose to write about and in good manners, or I should rightly be shown the door. So, no, I am not sympathetic to afu's plight, really. If you are not qualified to contribute, you should recognize that, and contribute somewhere else.
As for your addition to the complaint -- by all means, please insert it. Feel free to contract my own statement as necessary -- I have full confidence in your good judgement. dab (ᛏ) 11:26, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Please be stop vandalising informative and interesting pages such as The Drake I am only putting on information that other people are too lazy to do. Its users like you that make me want to take an axe to my computer,in fact I think I will. If you bothered to read Hello Magazine you would not have to put in this surpluss information. Since joining Wikipedia 20 minutes ago I have already made 1,3322225555578,000002 edits, that's more than anyone else, now stop bothering me in my crusade to categorise the world. Fred
It looks ok. Thanks. nyenyec ☎ 18:21, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[4] Vote? Giano 20:48, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Ew. I almost deleted an entire suburb of Gdansk yesterday. It turns out that there really is such a place as Zaspa-Mlyniec. I should be more careful. For all I know, some of my ancestral tree might have come from there. --allie 22:30, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[6] Aint life fun! Giano 09:55, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I don't know how to revert a page. Something became scrambled when I made a minor edit to Hillary Rodham Clinton and when it was input the second time, the whole page became a hash. Entire paragraphs are duplicated. It isn't hard to do if you know how to do it. It takes HOURS to look it up in Wikipedia Help section. Quick Help?? Many thanks, --allie 18:27, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
You deleted Baroque toilet paper holder content and replaced it with redirect. Was the old info moved somewhere? Pavel Vozenilek 19:26, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Try a couple of asprin, failing that the whole bottle Giano 20:10, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Very dull here on Wiki tonight - nicht wahr? Very dull and lonely here too, a bachelor again and is it scrambled eggs or a take-away for one?. There is a new take-away opening at the end of the street the errection of one sign to advertise it has taken all week. Thanks for the copy-edit at Buckingham Palace always nice to write about somewhere one knows so well. Giano
Actually, I think we should start transcluding pages. That will make things a lot more easy to handle on peer review. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:30, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Very good indeed. Giano 07:26, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Don't be in too much of a hurry to revert, be patient I expect there is more to come! Giano 17:34, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Just for the record: I answered on my own discussion page, so the discussion isn't torn to pieces; see de:Benutzer Diskussion:AndreasPraefcke. --AndreasPraefcke 22:37, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'll thank you young Bishoperson not to ask personal questions about my age, or that of my poor sister Olga. Its about time you knew a lady's age is her own business, and when your surname's Dracula age enters a whole new sphere, I'm surprised with all you learning about books and plays you never knew that. Perhaps you ought to read a few instead of casting aspersions on my age. And as for poor Olga, was it her fault men found her attractive, it was only Felix Yusupov who could resist her, (and he used to borrow her clothes) She just didn't like to say no and offend them, that's the sort of person she was. It was because of her kindness and hospitality she was made a regimental mascot of five brigades. When she arrived here in the land of the free, she just wanted to day "howdy" and "pleased to see yer" is it her fault, the business she set up in her five back bedrooms was misconstrued by people who just did not know the meaning of the word hospitality. So lets have no more of your asperic questions please; and you be nice to ma boy, if he had not decided to waste his life, he would be striker for Inter Milano now or at least captain of Italy Di Drakula (Mrs)
Have I had an immense amount of wine tonight or is something missing off your page? Giano 21:53, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
What are you talking about Bishonen? Please explain, if it concerns the family please by email. I have to go out now back about 4 I hope Giano 14:08, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
ask Alteripse. His invention
(both to stay away from WP, and to Deutschify de:Benutzer:Bischonen:) regards, dab (ᛏ) 15:19, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
check ungdom sända med posten , Jag har har en genial idé Giano 14:15, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Just a bit of that. You know how it is. I'm in mind of oppressed masses and those who do not know which way the wind blows, even with a weather man. Geogre 04:07, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Regarding [9] I don't think much at all, without the development of the English country house the whole page is meaningless, to start with the already metaporphised University of Virginia, is like writing the end of the story without having the plot unravel. I see it does stae i is also in English, quite flattering really. I'm sure the Swedes and Elks will be thrilleded to have such interesting information at their fingertips. All OK with Cal, he seems happier today. Giano 09:12, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Oh, many apologies for gazumping you on WP:FAC :( I'll withdraw.
But I still like it :) -- ALoan (Talk) 01:17, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
What's all this [10] about then? Giano 12:14, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
No worries - no conflict that I noticed. Just saw the comment on the danish rifles and tried to make it a bit easier to understand for a non gun-nut ;) And I do very much appriciate your help in cleaning it up. WegianWarrior 16:15, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Picture's OK now. Thanks Giano 16:20, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
This is my last bit of maintenance before I bow out due to too much criticism for a thankless (even if necessary) task. I've put back Eric W. Weistein and Karl Marx because we (in general) remove after a month. We won't be able to get any comments if they aren't listed! Also, I notice you haven't put them in the archive. Please do that, as it's part of the maintainence of the page. The other two that weren't appropriate I don't have an issue with. I've put Wikipedia:Peer review/Shakespeare's reputation/archive1 on the archive page. - Ta bu shi da yu 22:50, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, I'm sorry if I treated you like a vandal. This could not be further from the way that I think of you! I was having a shitty day yesterday, and I managed to piss off quite a few good contributors. Hence today I am mending fences. Sorry! I missed/forgot about the whole debate on the talk page. The thing about the talk page was that it was just that: talk. I'd like to humbly ask that you come back to help me with peer review, but this time would you be able to update the instructions? If you like, I'll give this a shot. Now that I understand where you are coming from I can see what's happened. I really must apologise and hope that you'll find it in your heart to forgive me for my lack of tact and my irrascibility! Will you come back to peer review? - Ta bu shi da yu 23:09, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi just in cas you have not fixed it I have reuploaded it, but it need to be retagged. If you've sorted it already put a speedy vfd on it . Regards Giano 09:35, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Don't worry I sorted out the problems with the John Day (printer) image, very simple really it was a case of the Parmigiano out of alignment with the calcagno and godzilla, I'm suprised you had not spotted it. The image size now needs to be corrected to whatever PRiis wants it, and then all is well. Any more problems don't hesitate to ask. oops must be off so much to do on Wikipeida today Giano 17:26, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
NEVER underestimate a Sicilian! Giano 20:33, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Very sweet of you to invite me to work on the latter (my first wiki-hug; lovely) but I simply don't have the knowledge for it - I'm better on restoration theatre and a bit dodgy at that as I fear I may already have demonstrated. I might try and get round to fixing Betterton's article, you're right it's terribly stilted. I do have an article somewhere about Charlotte Charke that I keep meaning to upload. She was a right one. Will that do as a consolation prize? --Mr impossible 00:40, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Didn't get your e-mail. When I tried to send an e-mail to myself through WP, I didn't get that either. I'll try sending one to you. PRiis 04:56, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
If you did not get it, let me know . Filiocht 14:50, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for copyediting the lead section of Nafaanra language! I've sorted out the with/between issue, it was confusing indeed to mention a dialect that was introduced only later in the article. — mark ✎ 20:00, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for catching my heading snafu in my League of Nations nomination on WP:FAC. My bad. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:05, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sorry if I appeared to be ignoring your review. I've never done peer review before so I didn't know that I was supposed to respond to them. Your advice was most helpful. Thanks for taking the time to look over the article. I posted a brief reply on the review page. Kaldari 06:41, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You are not Rienzo. CheeseDreams 20:37, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
ALoan thanks Bishonen for xir most gracious invitation, but would not like to gild the lily. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:09, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I stumbled across it a couple of days ago; was wondering whether & when you'd move it from your page back into the the main namespace...but I agree it would make an excellent April 1 featured article. I particularly liked the desciption of the Celtic section on the talk page, iirc, TRHs -> civilisation. --Tagishsimon (talk)
you guys are brilliant. really, this makes me warm to Wikipedia again. Hope to see it on the frontpage on April 1st! dab (ᛏ) 09:48, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I trust everyone has noted the fine advice on references we've been given on WP:FAC? Filiocht 14:38, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the note about the peer review page. I do think it deserves a chance since it did go through the VfD process; I'll probably just wait for someone else to relist it. My first reaction when I happened across it was to keep it. But as I thought about my reasons and how I thought it should be improved and realized there was pretty much no chance of it ever becoming useful, and most likely harmful - misinformative and serving to perpetuate stereotypes rather than explain them. I think it's saying something that the people who are adding new stuff to it don't bother to link to them that have their own wiki entries, usually opting instead to put them in quotes, as if that provides some additional meaning. The issue of people adding entires for slurs and the like - I think that a redirect to 'ethnic stereotypes' would be better. I think the most important issue to come out of this is that the reasons to keep apply to the case of adding a Racial Stereotypes section on each ethnic page - after all why have a list of features of things yet not talk about those same features on pages that already exist for those things? --Paraphelion 00:37, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You should really check it out! There has been heaps of feedback on that page lately! Barely any articles aren't getting any :-) So well done on the instructions and maintenance. We should feel proud of our efforts to get this page to the level of FAC (though it's obviously got more emphasis on encouraging the authors than FAC does - necessarily so). - Ta bu shi da yu 03:18, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm... I'm not that fascinated with toilet paper, but I felt that little nugget of information shouldn't go unheeded. Might I suggest, however, that we don't go overboard on the whole toilet paper issue? I think it has limited, er, "scope" and might annoy other editors, ala the amazing reproducing Ashlee Simpson articles. Just a thought. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:40, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Who doesn't need help? Helpless giggling here. I must get back to 'real life' real soon. --Theo (Talk) 19:47, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Bish (if i may be so bold w/ yr name), nice to hear from you, and i apologize over my typical difficulty putting much specific content with people's names. I'd have to go back and hunt for that interaction, as i'm afraid it's gotten pretty murky in my mind. But your tone abt it and the emotional surround your name has for me suggests a trip down memory lane, via our respective archives, would be a good use of time for me sometime next week.
While i try to be careful abt using technical psych terms like "paranoia" this casually, i do understand why you might apply that one here: i was, e.g., quite surprised to read
in response to my saying
In my mind that was advice about putting off colleagues, and eventually making enemies of them, which i'd have thought (if i'd felt the need to even consider that Philip wouldn't assume good intentions) he'd understand it as i intended. He especially should see the pertinence of that in light of his already having had some interactions here that he finds worth complaining about!
I assume (at least generally, and of course perhaps inaccurately) that editor-focused-RfCs will be more specific than the general "interaction style" issue you refer to, so that the ed in question already has their course of remediation clearly laid out for them when the comments concur with the certifiers. Thus my comments would probably be directed as much at trying to clarify the up-side option as at documenting the down-side offense. IMO this is also fairer to the ed whom the RfC is focused on, and may be necessary even when much more difficult. And i assume you'd agree that if feasible, such clarification would be more efficiently and less contentiously done before opening an RfC; perhaps in fact you already envision that, and i am the one who is getting the cart before the horse.
As to waste, no one favors it any more than Luther favored sin, but IMO our "edit boldly" is based on the premise that we can't know in advance which edits will be wasted effort. Luther wrote "Be a sinner, and sin boldly", and i favor wasting effort, and wasting it boldly, since we don't know what's a waste in advance. There were plenty of things i could have said to Philip, honestly and with good intent, that i was pretty sure would make him angry again; i was pretty sure those were a waste. But he was clueless about something he wants to know, and the way his obsessions keep him from finding out little [wink] things like Contribs and collaboration is no reason to leave him clueless. I suspect my last to him was the only thing, other than (possibly) silence like Mav's, that wouldn't provoke him. And who knows what getting an apparently non-sarcastic thank-you out of him may mean? Probably that i wasted my effort, but i waste boldly. [smile]
--Jerzy(t) 17:40, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)
Thanks, thanks, thanks. You know, I really can't stop working on it. So check out my latest additions to the References section :). I tried, nevertheless, and have nominated Nafaanra on FAC upon your suggestion. Oh, I see you have voted already. I'm slow. Warmest regards, — mark ✎ 23:31, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
-- and thanks from me for the cookies (although I would have preferred a leaf of toilet-paper in this case :P ) I'm glad we went through with the case, now, and I suppose it also strengthens the position of the sane editors on hu-wiki. dab (ᛏ) 11:47, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
In case there's anyone who hasn't heard about your special article, it has an entire story dedicated to it in The Wikipedia Signpost. It was an inspiring subject; I can only hope that I rose (or sank) to the occasion in writing about it. With respect to the insinuations of Eurocentric bias, my defense is that the demands of artistic license made me do it. Otherwise I would never dream of smearing your good name (and let's not get into what I might smear it with). --Michael Snow 11:01, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I've been away. Will check it all out later. Filiocht 08:25, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
[[ |thumb|left|100px|Noble Order of the Eagle ofChiaramonte. Motto: Soar high above all earthly matters]]
Glad to see you've joined the club - This page needs to be archived, it has taken me 10 minutes to reach this point! Now I've forgotten what I was intending to say Giano 20:19, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It is indeed, along with those luxurious fittings which still remain. You may notice a slightly cynical note creeping into the new the World war section, hoping to attract a little fervour from the pro-monarchists who seem to be suprisingly absent Giano 16:01, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[[ |thumb|left|30px|The]] We understand you have a problem with Us being accorded the definite article . Kindly remember your station here before firmer measures have to be executed. Regards LizRII.
I apologize for any inconvenience my deletion may have caused you. At the time, my intentions were to remove just my contributions to articles on Wikipedia; mine alone not anyone else's. In summary, I was personally attacked by another user and the attack supported by a second user for NOT criticizing the subject matter Paul Bremer and the Coalition Provisional Authority. I believe the phrased used was "Why are you so dogged...?" for my defense towards this "person" and went as far as asking me if I had a personal connection with the subject matter. And as I explained to a Wikipedia Admin. yesterday, I will not partake in anything that mandates "criticisms" I do not agree with. Therefore, I submitted my request to have my contributions removed including my account if necessary. Paradigmbuff 13:25, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
Something will soon have to be done:[12]Giano 15:40, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Can't he be banned for ever, amd all his edits reverted for all time? And his use page have a large photo of the Empress of Blandings indelilably imprinted upon it. Have just finished a very successful week and paying with the computer before returning to the home for the insane, Portia now sleeping on my bed, and me being told off for complaining about it, apparently she's lonely - wish I was! Giano 16:06, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Place a ((delete)) tag on those PR pages and we'll have them deleted! - Ta bu shi da yu 00:35, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
What has poor old JV done to desearve the edits and vandalism coming to him now? Giano 09:16, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
"Every dog shall have his day" - and this very patient dog will have his! Giano 18:41, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen,
I pushed your image Image:John Vanbrugh.png to Commons:Image:John Vanbrugh.png, and changed links to Image:John Vanbrugh.jpg. I'm wondering how you "digitized" the image, exactly. Did you use a scanner? Or a camera? And whatever you used, did it produce PNG directly, or did you do some conversion afterwards?
Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 19:46, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
(Outdenting.) Wrinkles, feh! That's Godfrey Kneller's varnish cracking all right. Yes, I thought you might prefer the one with the maximum info. I should mention that it turns out, though, that the scaled-down .png wasn't just scaled-down, it has also had the colors adjusted slightly—we made Van a little pinker, I think. (I figured the varnish would have gotten a little yellow in 300 years, too.) Adjusted amateurishly, since no one here is a big-time image expert. Somebody who was could doubtless color the humungeous one, which I will upload completely without messing, much more delicately, if desired. However. I should upload to Commons...? That's outside my experience. It would mean creating an account there, right...? And then overwriting the existing image...? Or can I just name the new one John_Vanbrugh_2.png and upload it on wikipedia as usual, and you can collect it there? Or would that mean yet more images would need to be deleted? Perhaps you could walk me through what you would like me to do? Best, Bishonen | Talk 16:30, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Pardon me, but I thought the purpose of peer review was, I don't know, peer review. Review, by your peers, of articles. Just a crazy idea I had, I guess, since I couldn't find a single other outlet for getting, you know, peer review of an article. Not RfC, not Village Pump, nothing. Considering that one of the items on the page for the Monty Hall problem, whose sole problem was convincing one (1) clueless user that he was dead wrong about the solution, my request didn't seem at all out of place.
And call me timid, but I've never been crazy about unilateral action in deleting stuff, especially given the hoo-hah and cries of censorship Cantus caused when he did it for Clitoris and Autofellatio: I prefer consensus and advice -- peer review, as it were -- before taking action.
Oh, and if you're going to insult me, have the good grace to do it in front of me instead of behind my back: I stumbled over your comments on Ta bu shi da yu's talk page and I gotta say I resent your tone. And for the record, I'm a he. --Calton 05:59, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC
Nice work and additiones - It will all be appreciated when the day comes. Grazie Giano 07:24, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I wasn't meaning to insult you... think of my "passionate" comment as a compliment! - Ta bu shi da yu 02:38, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Ah... well, you can never tell (especially through the medium of text!) - Ta bu shi da yu 11:25, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the flattery in WP:PR and, more importantly, for the fine edits to the article. Filiocht 09:24, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
Masterly simplification of the last sentence of the opening paragraph. I have been thinking about Ta bu shi da yu's question overnight [yes, I know; I dream in wiki] and your solution is more elegant than any of mine. --Theo (Talk) 11:36, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You're quick. And maybe just a tad given to overstatement? Thanks for the support and for translating of a piece with into Wikenglish. Filiocht 11:40, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
Well, thanks indeed for leaving out the bathroom fittings, although some may feel that I've included the kitchen sink. It seems to me you've thrown down the gauntlet and someone is bound to suggest a clever plan for splitting the page up. I'm just going to beaver away at the associated list until the war is over. Filiocht 11:46, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
As I remember from my days as a student of mathematics (chalk and slate, the thwack of leather on flesh, great times) flowery language = words I don't understand and can't be bothered looking up and sentences with more than two clauses. I like the Colley Cibber article very much, and figured that by making the 18th c. factor public, I might deter those who object after reading the article, leaving you to face only objections from those people who have no intention of reading it. Filiocht 12:36, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
When you think about it, the fact that 14000 words on a modernist poem is likely to make FA means that the battle for acceptance of high culture on Wikipedia is all but over. There are a couple of other good candidates at the moment; Colley and the French cardinal, so let the Simpsons beware. Leaving all modesty aside, I do think it is a good article and something that could be of real use to people encountering the poem for the first time, and I'm really happy witht he comments on FAC, which make the huge amount of work that went into the article seem more worthwhile. Love the April 1st entry, which I had seen via the link you left on Giano's Talk page. (I have you guys on my Watchlist; so what's it like to have a stalker?). Filiocht 09:48, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
I find that image offensive, and persecutious! I am a very busy editor, and am not here for amusing jocculations. If you lived in a house where you trod on lego every time you padded about in bare feet you would not be so amused either. Now please attend to your editing, or my mother will not like it - and you know what that means Lustro di Anima
Will have a look at this soon. I'm no expert here, but this article seems very interesting! - Ta bu shi da yu 00:55, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations on Main page today. Filiocht 08:25, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)
John Vanbrugh finally gazes placidly out at the casual visitor to Wikipedia. Geogre 12:45, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
She looks OK to me, I can understand it good. Hope your day went well, all quietish here. Giano 18:49, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
See you are up and editing making up for lost time yesterday, all very dull today here. Giano 11:01, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Alas, I was only able to shave 0.5% off the big version. Perhaps eventually they'll raise the limit above 22MB. In the mean time, at least you now have a backup copy in case your computer crashes. dbenbenn | talk 17:49, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Of course I don't mind. Keep and reuse whatever fits the need. When the time comes for Dunces, I'm sure I'll find other notes to jangle together, and if I really need to repeat myself, I will. Geogre 05:29, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the praise. I confess to a quiet pride in finding a way to enhance such a finely honed article. Such pride, indeed, that I considered reconsidering our domestic policy on TPHs: Standing on the floor, we a vertical rod upon which we thread four rolls. --Theo (Talk) 14:35, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Bish,
if, hypothetically, a well-known wikipedian were coming to Stockholm and wanted to have a get-together at a nice restaurant here, how would he or she (or I) make this known to Stockholm-based or nearby 'pedians?
Advertising on sv: probably would miss many, as you've previously pointed out to me.
Any other suggestions?
Steverapaport 15:40, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the copyedit at Benjamin Mountfort- much appreciated. He's a borring old sod, but I'm rather fond of him - I might make him famous to the world one day. Giano 17:36, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi there - my WP e-mail goes to my home e-mail address - unfortunately, I can't check my home e-mail from the office, so I'll have to check whether it has arrived when I get home. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:50, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It is a very sad story, but I'm sure you can persevere. An entire continent will appreciate your efforts. Giano 19:31, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yikes - I wasn't even paying attention when I did that. Please understand that had I been paying attention, this is the last thing I would have done. – ClockworkSoul 00:31, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
How have you acheived that? As a matter of fact if you look at Raul's talk page (where I hang out for absent crumbs of comfort for poor BP now wearing the mark of shame) you will see he is alraedr planning on grooming a page for April 1st. Announcing a joke rather spoils it I always feel but then I have an odd sense of humour. Giano 11:49, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This vote is turning into something of a triumphal march, too. Maybe Raul will forgive the tph April 1st listing given that you are such a historian of ideas? Filiocht 15:44, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Hi there! Thanks for your warning. I do believe his allegations against you are unfounded, not to mention uncalled for. As for me, I will not stand for his public libel against me or us on his talk page. I have asked him to remove it, and if he does not I will certainly call for mediation here. This has gone way too far, and he will only start picking on the next newbie (e.g. DaveTheRed) who disagrees with him if this is not somehow stopped. Yours, Radiant! 22:24, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)
Have you seen my new objector? Informed, well spoken, but not quite on the money, I fear. Filiocht 08:55, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Just left a short note to anyone who may be interested on his talk page, its short so will be easy top revert without anyone else's edits having to be blended in. Giano 10:14, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I don't know, because I'm not at home currently, and that's where I have my email account that I use for Wikipedia set up. If it's urgent and can't wait a few hours, you can explain on my talk page, or if it's better not discussed publicly, I can try to check my ISP's webmail service for the account. --Michael Snow 22:53, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes I saw, how nice to have somebody say something pleasant, I don't think he's quite ready for FA yet, the standard seems to have risen there suddenly. I see some kind person has reverted our names off 'the list' and Mr Smiley has not reverted yet, perhaps its the dawning of Aquarius Giano 10:20, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No! Only a little tiny one digitally low, which is part of a collage, I might have a go at editing it, but it will still only blow up to the size of a postage stamp. I've a bit more info to add yet - do you think its that good then, I'm not so sure, everything seems to have gone very highbrow, or stuff about which I do not understand. I went to have a vote a while ago and nothing appealed greatly, perhaps I'm getting old. Giano 14:00, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my appointment as an administrator. I appreciate the pat on the back this represents. It felt nice to read the comments during the voting. Please let me know if you see something I should be doing as admin, as I intend to be fairly passive unless it is clear I should do otherwise. Thanks. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:06, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
I guess the test case was won, an 81Kb article has now made it as an FA! Did you see me showing off another talent here? Filiocht 08:33, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
Personally, I thought he looked in need of a shower and a decent shampoo Giano 19:33, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC).
Hi Bishonen, upon reading our first interchange on the Peer Review request of Force Dynamics again, I just want to say sorry for being a little pedantic. I guess I got carried away a little by my enthusiasm for Cognitive Linguistics when I was explaining some things. The whole chatter about the representational device was out of place because you pointed out yourself that you already had understood it. I always feel a little awkward myself if someone is ignorantly lecturing me, so I just want to say sorry for being that way. It's no big deal probably, but I want to let you know that I value your thoughts and judgement highly. Kind regards, — mark ✎ 09:27, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A quick re-read of the novel itself is about all that stands between me and a completed Oroonoko, I'd say. If you haven't looked lately, you might want to now. It looks prettier. I found some pictures. Geogre 22:38, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
These are a subject close to my heart, while Mr Mountfort may have been a member of New Zealand people he did not show up as such. I find these edits of your's very distressing, after all my hard work, the least I expect is gratitude and appreciation. Sicilian Kiwi
You get another image on the Main Page! Cool! Any more information you have, like for Image:John Vanbrugh.png? I think I might move this one to the Commons, too. dbenbenn | talk 00:26, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Cracked myself up tonight. I went to a dog page and found a picture of my friend there. Ok. That was funny. What was funnier was the caption. Elf is a truly amazing dog page editor, and she put that picture onto that page and wrote the caption. I dropped her a note telling her that I will try harder in the future to clean up. Geogre 03:25, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No I had not; and I suspect it will not be considered factually acurate, what's the point of a fool that has to be true? Al Capone
Hi. Suffice 19:49, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, you're asking the guy with the 80kb article to give you tips on accesibility? I'm afraid that all I can say is that I think it's perfect: well-written, informative and highbrow enough even for me. No doubt, others will find fault, but I can't. Filiocht 15:24, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
The Country Wife kicks butt, Bishonen, and you know it. Even if the highbrow stuff doesn't make a big wave, we've got to at least keep trying. One less Smurfs article on the main page will be no bad thing. One less video game is good. I'm just back from my involuntary exile from the ether & added a new section on Oroonoko that I had never seen before (it's the section on Historical significance, although that's not really a good title for the section), and I know I use a word that at least one person will not believe is real. Anyway, it's no homicide, just an emanant truth. Geogre 03:21, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Masterly recasting of the Beerbohm story. Good job! --Theo (Talk) 22:00, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thank you for your support and the kind words on my adminship nomination. Now I'll slowly have to get used to my new admin powers... Kind regards, — mark ✎ 20:25, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, I found a bigger version of the same photograph of Elie Wiesel, which I've put up. It's a bit darker than I'd prefer, but it's perhaps a little clearer. See what you think. Best, SlimVirgin 21:51, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
I found another howling example of POV from a 1911 Britanica article on Wikipedia. The following is from The Lord Arlington (Behn's spymaster):
Yeah, that's NPOV. BTW, I had wondered where that "anecdote" section came from. I know I'm not fond of it at all. It seems quite irrelevant and stylistically jarring, but I'm old and inconsiderate and ungracious. Geogre 23:04, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bish: BradGad, a new user, overwrote Poetry analysis with an excellent article of his own on the subject. He soon realised that this was a breach of protocol and reverted it out but there was some great stuff in there so I restored it to a subpage. Could you help by applying your enormous intellect to the merging of the two articles? (I am copying this message to Filiocht so don't get too puffed up about the "enormous intellect" label; it is mere obsequiousness). --Theo (Talk) 12:43, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
In the light of your woeful abdication (and Filiocht's weekly retreat) I made the merge myself. It still needs work but, as you imply, this is best done by people who have left the seventeenth century behind them. --Theo (Talk) 19:08, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the nomination. I still need to re-read the novel, so that means a trip to storage. So far, so good, but given the troubled past of the article, I'll be pleased in either case. Geogre 13:28, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Quick? Of course it was. We stalkers must be swift if we are to evade apprehension. --Theo (Talk) 22:08, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hey, curious as to why you reverted most of my changes. Now the images are nearly as small as they were before. Páll 04:20, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hey Bishonen, thanks for talkin' me through my ticket purchase last night. Quick question for you, would you mind looking over Talk:New York City#Reorganisation and adding your comment? It looks like its set to turn into a large edit war. Thanks, and talk to you on IRC. Páll 03:24, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
What is the VERY correct plural in English of Cathedral, I have a hunch it is not Cathedrals? - do you know the answer? Giano 19:06, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Here's that wonderful work of art again: Image:Dagham-Barnstar.png. Use it wisely... That probably means: not at all. JRM 20:53, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)
to thank me for my vote. Tobyox it is indeed - I'm Toby in English-speaking countries/circumstances, and I've added 'ox' to that, as 'Toby' by itself is usually already used by someone as a username. The 'ox' bit stands for Oxford - slightly pretentious perhaps... but that's where I live (and study). My Norwegian name is Torbjørn (not Gunnar, I'm afraid), which supposedly means 'really, really strong', but in my Tobyox incarnation I guess I'm a Toby that's as stubborn as an ox, or something like that;) I'm quite used to the discussion of original performers from the world of opera, where it usually was standard to tailor everything to the performers, and then of course having to change everything because your original prima donna got a cold/got pregnant/got married/disappeared/got a better job/refused to sing anything you'd written for her... My only 'problem' with your article is that when it appears on the front page, people are going to think all our Arts coverage must be fantastic, if that's what Wikipedia has on a relatively obscure play... But I think it might interest people who suspect Wikipedia is only for technology-lovers to join:) Tobyox 00:10, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen... You're right, I can see how would seem weird and rude for those comments to be deleted without comment. I don't remember doing that! And just now (when I went back and looked at history) was the first time I'd ever seen Georgre's! He doesn't have a talk page. Do you think it would be appropriate for me to put something on his user page to let him know? Thanks, BradGad (Talk) 13:38, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I found it. thx. :)
Have you seen the voting? Too bad we don't have more people like you working on theatre entries!. Give that user a biscuit. Filiocht 08:35, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
That sentence had me reminding myself that envy is a sin. Just wait 'till I get Aphra Behn up to speed, though. You'll see! I can be one of those of whom there are too few working on Wikipedia, too! Geogre 14:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thank you for voting for me in my adminship nomination. I really do appreciate your support. SlimVirgin 00:27, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for re-noming Diana!
New email for you
Worldtraveller got to it before I could, and based on the statement made now on his talk page, maybe this will finally be the end of it. --Michael Snow 17:28, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You know very well what I meant! Have you checked out the latest on the Italian architect? Giano | Talk 23:24, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Very nice, congratulations - but whats it got to do with April 1st? - or is that the joke - Nothing! Oh hohohoho hahahahah chortle chottle that's a good one! Giano | Talk 09:23, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. What do you think of the recent change to Commons:Image:John Vanbrugh.jpg? dbenbenn | talk 02:40, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Fine refinements but are you sure about via? Was she making a detour? Most people make trips to the lavatory with some urgency; albeit mild. --Theo (Talk) 13:18, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Don't forget to vote here! — mark ✎ 15:08, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Er ... Bish ... if you delete a word from the acronymic title the acronym fails rather catastrophically. I chose the original size of the picture as a quiet way of emphasizing the acronym: too quiet a way, clearly! --Theo (Talk) 11:02, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
And I forgot to say: I would still like to find better words than "peculiarly" and "implement". Do we know anyone clever? --Theo (Talk) 11:14, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Reverting CXI's deletion of the revert war text? Now I have coffee in my keyboard! --Theo (Talk) 16:32, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Rules clarified, at your request. Nominate on! +sj +
Vote early, vote often. Filiocht | Talk 08:43, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
Mozilla, isn't that an Italian cheese? Filiocht | Talk 09:13, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. I had expected to deal with such objections as there are. Hopefully G will get a nice surprise when he returns. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:50, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why I'd bother now is beyond me, but I've decided to try to get this up to FA standard. Any suggestions, improvements, etc most welcome. Basically, I'm circling nercously around the can of worms that is Ezra Pound. Filiocht | Talk 08:49, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm not really in form for defending ETPH today: sure you can look after it. Filiocht | Talk 10:01, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
For Commons:Image:Hamlet play scene cropped.png, you scanned an illustration from "The Works of Shakspeare, Imperial edition, NY 1875-1876". Was the title misspelled on the actual book, or was it "The Works of Shakespeare"? I wasn't able to find the book on Amazon.
By the way, I think it's a shame the ETPH article was wiped from the main page. dbenbenn | talk 02:51, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the picture of John Rich. I just now noticed it there (not on the watchlist). I also saw tonight that Flores and Blancheflour has been heavily edited since I wrote it (of all things). Geogre 03:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hello! The 1755 Lisbon Earthquake is again a FAC. Can you give your opinion? Thanks, muriel@pt 12:23, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
(el orden exaltado de la carta higienica) — you honour me deeply, bish, this is the second time you award me with toilety assets; whatever have I done to deserve this? dab (ᛏ)
...Just shows that you and your toiler paper holder article are the centerpiece of all Wikipedia humour. That's why the page is in your user area. r3m0t talk 12:03, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
For this and everything ETPH I hereby award you the very first Comedy Gold award. Great work ensuring Wikipedia has a community that can focus on the lighter side of life as well as the serious. violet/riga (t) 12:31, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Be very careful when you open the toilet paper holder, Bish! There is something small and nasty lurking in there. --Uncle Mortimer Doom 22:42, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Trust you had a nice weekend basking in the glory; of course all the awards are yours by right (the rest of us really just picked up the cues and tried to embroider your work), though I must admit I was pleased to have a nice socialist star from Viajero to myself. So, where next? Any other 18th C. gems up your sleeves? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:15, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
If the Talk page is to be believed, 1755 Lisbon earthquake was named a Feature Article today! Thanks for your support, and my apologies for the misunderstanding during the last round of nominations. (I was distracted and irritated by the media controversy related to the false "hanging priests" reference on Wikipedia, and like Muriel, I think I felt embattled all around. I bit you for no reason.) Sandover 05:13, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dear Bishonen, I wonder if you would mind moving Ohþere to Ohthere, please.--Wiglaf 19:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly, nobody gave a damn. RickK was kind enough to shoot it down in two sentences, though.
Oh well, it belongs to Wikipedia now. Let that do with it what it will. If nothing, then nothing. At least I've added another victim to the list of failed proposals for extending deletion. JRM 20:37, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)
For Heavens sake!: I leave this place for five minutes, I have been wrestling with crocodiles and cobras and you allow TPH and Buckingham Palace to fail, the latter got what the Brits and their Royals deserve! Did you see the comment "Ugliest building" about people with taste[[17]]? that was from one of them too, albeit one that has a name that sounds like something grubby on a wall. No wonder their Empire lasted little longer than one miserable century - no national pride you see. Well I've done my best for them, they're on their own now, can manage their own heritage. I shall be off wikipedia for a while longer as I'm bound for the USA, I'm told there is electronic communication in those parts but who knows. Stay out of trouble!!!!!!!. Giano | Talk 21:11, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
How were my corrections to The Cantos in quoting style "inappropriate punctuation policing"? Please refer to the discussion at the Village Pump, where this matter was discussed. -- llywrch 22:06, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yes, the "nobody seems to be aware of anything until someone cries VOTE" problem is universal. It basically ensures that unless your proposal is so incredibly awesome or uncontroversial that people immediately embrace it, you actually don't have to bother with any sort of proposal. Local improvements: yes. Site-wide improvements: no, forget it. Of course, once you get to the vote, there's no time to make constructive improvement anymore. So it's do or die for the proposal, and the "do" depends on a simple majority vote. For user-initiated proposals, there is no possibility for consensus, unless you happen to strike gold with a brilliant idea that captivates minds and fulfills a real need.
Needlesst to say, CD isn't it. I did put CD on the Village Pump and I mentioned it on the VfD talk page and I dropped it in IRC for good measure. Short of asking Ram-Man to go spam everyone on my behalf, I don't know what else to do.
Proposals for deletion? Where flawed proposals can be eliminated? :-) Actually, while everybody is just brimming with ideas for improving the process (vide the comments generated by my little straw poll on the VfD talk page, they don't agree with each other at all. Everyone seems to think there's a different crucial problem VfD is suffering from, so maybe VfD is the best flawed solution we have after all. It can't be all bad if everyone thinks something different is wrong with it. The one problem that does crop up with some consistency is that it doesn't scale: VfD nominations come in faster than we can process them, or at least have a tendency to do so if we don't watch it like a hawk. But deletionists think this means we need to expand CSD, while inclusionists think be much looser on VfD and simply use it less (or even not at all). Geogre has some very clear, consistent and useful ideas on the subject that, unfortunately, are based on premises inclusionists most soundly disagree with. Po-TAY-toe, po-TAH-toe, and unless Jimbo himself comes down from Mount Wikimedius and speaks out on what sort of encyclopedia this will be I don't see that changing.
There have been so many proposals for "fixing" the deletion process that people are probably tired of it; they sure were tired of the last batch. Deletionists and inclusionists never see eye to eye on anything, personal opinion with no basis in fact runs rampant, and at this stage, I can't see how things will ever be improved until the backlogs grow so large that the maintenance process really becomes intractable and we're forced to cut the knot one way or the other.
Deletion, pardon the pun, seems to be a black hole on Wikipedia where huge amounts of time and effort disappear into without noticeable improvement to the encyclopedia. Sane people stay away from it. I think it's time I valued my sanity again.
Now look what I've done, I've defaced your talk page with a brain dump. I'm sorry. Feel free to delete it. :-) JRM 22:25, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)
Oh Please! - Archive at least half this page, we all know you have lots of correspondence, but we don't all have endless time to wait for the page to download, I am back in my favourite hotel, and have just had a pleasant luncheon and a bottle of Château Pétrus and nothing to do until this evening - would you like me to start sifting through and archiving what I see fit and deleting accordingly? Giano | Talk 19:22, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've decided to personally thank everyone who commented on Wikipedia:Countdown deletion, but you get special thanks for convincing me to give it a shot after all. I thought it wouldn't go anywhere, but people are actually picking up on it. Even if it ends up going nowhere, it's been worth it. So ! JRM 21:11, 2005 Apr 6 (UTC)
I feel like Norman Maine or John Norman Howard. I just need that bottle of pills and a roadster. Geogre 23:30, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi I 've been away for a couple of days and had no idea. Thanks for riding shotgun. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:22, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, could you comment out the categories in User:Bishonen/David Garrick until its in place? Its coming up as an article in Category:English actors. Thanks! Jihg 12:33, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
the "pretty" part doesn't fit very well either?; let others be the judge, I say. Filiocht | King of Regulars 13:45, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
Those were some very kind words. -- Netoholic @ 19:38, 2005 Apr 10 (UTC)
What on earth do you know about intoxication, I though it was one glass of distilled smorgasbord every alternate Christmas in those parts; I of course could write a featured article on the subject (were I not so busy and important, travelling the world at the moment). I shall be back in the and of the world of the Wikisoak towards the end of the week, when I hope to finish off poor old Frank Petre, at the moment he needs a new lead, so until then avoid the liquor.......Giano | Talk 06:08, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yes. Busy. I get in a few potshots at Wikipedia, but that's it. I have two or three other things going IRL. Kim's going to be disappointed he doesn't get those VfD statistics soon enough. :-)
Ah, and me not appearing on IRC is what probably struck you as unusual, right? IRC is the first to go when you're busy, you know—at least for me. :-) JRM 13:02, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)
Hi Bish: I saw your "rv nonsense" edit summary on ETPH and expected to find the page blank. --Theo (Talk) 00:46, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hey Bish, for some reason I've only just realized you're a woman, and so feel I ought to reintroduce myself or something. Glad to see another one of us around. Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 03:51, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
So your out the closet are you, as you may have guessed I am not a woman but a man, dark haired, rugged featured and considered by many (including myself) to be wildly handsome and irresistible, but with a soft caring centre, witty, amusing, athletic and sophisticated. A bit like the bloke who used to be in the 1980's Cointreau advert - you know the one in the dinner jacket who seduced the woman by telling her about the sun kissed oranges, well we have lots of sun kissed oranges where I come from - perhaps you'd like to come and see them sometime?. In the meantime, If you can try and put this vision (I know its difficult - I understand) out of your mind for a minute could you copyedit Francis Petre for me as I think he is nearly ready for his trial by FAC? Giano | Talk 11:02, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hey there, many thanks for your message, it was kind of you to spot me:
Check the history of WP:AD :) You weren't able to find the inaccurate referral to WP:PR (in fact, the two inaccurate referrals!) because it (both!) was (were!) removed on April 7th by User:Mark Dingemanse who also spotted it! Hopefully that will make it easier for all of us. I have left a note of gratitute at Mark's talk page. Cheers for getting in touch with me. VivaEmilyDavies 15:54, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Change what you like! All help welcome Giano | Talk 06:13, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm mortifying please read email, Oh woe is me! Giano | Talk 12:02, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you weren't doing substantial work yourself, or that the contents aren't original writing. You were just included to help make the point that such things need to be handled with a light spirit, and not taken too seriously. By the way, I see that somebody has decided to take his ball and go home after much "stress" and "harassment" (aka constructive criticism). --Michael Snow 17:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
What a kind generous person you are! Giano | Talk 08:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yaeh yeah yeah you very witty but what you mean about Pcpcpcp? I no a getting it? Giano | Talk 18:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I feel degraded and demeaned. To think you'd ask me to compete in a cattle market. And with a Latin! Women; you're all the same. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:39, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
Please do not be racist! My sunkissed race were creating a great civilization, while some other gaellic tribes were still swimming about in the bogs! Giano | Talk 08:47, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
All right, enough already with the disfiguring my page with your ugly mugs! Freaks!--Bishonen | talk 10:18, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hrrrmmf. I'll concede that it's not unknown for my nick's "awayer" on IRC to move directly from bish_lunch to bish_dinner, but what's wrong with a healthy appetite? The unhealthiness, if I may say so, Theo, lies all in being noticing of these things, and now pass me that bish_snack!--Bishonen | talk 16:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Omniscience is, indeed, a great burden; but, "unhealthy"? I think not. --Theo (Talk) 08:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OMG. Comfy. Chintz. The squatters are coming, bearing strange insults to my modernist functionalist understated Japanese-screened Scandinavian talk page. And bearing edit conflict upon edit conflict!--Bishonen | talk 13:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I really have very little to say to you Ms. Bishonen on the subject of interior decoration, I am a wronged man, had you not wronged me (you know what I mean and May the Lord forgive you your guilt, for I cannot) I was going to upload a shot to prove "Ceasar is the man" a tasteful (semi-nude) portrait of myself displayed in my own home. However I now leave you to drown in chintz, shagpile and whatever that ugly Irishman is suggesting is the epitome of good taste. The wronged one
Thank god for pixliness, that's all I can say! Just look what you were doing to the totally innocent Mindspillage—harassing her with that thing! Fortunately the nasty image is pixly at any size, I'll just smallify it. We can still SEE it, but it's the best I can do. This is where I go edit the heading for this deplorable section, I've had it with looking at that hilariously inappropriate "Beauty contest".--Bishonen | talk 21:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hey, dearies? You noticed, below, that Mindspillage thinks you lot are comic geniuses? If she should return for some purpose and see this section, she'd be in for a bit of a rude awakening on that score, don't you think? Why don't you repair to the safe obscurity of Playboy Mansion or The Bog while there's something left of my good name? --Bishonen | talk 16:20, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your support on my RfA; it's a honor to be supported by someone with your impressive contributions... yes, right up to the European Toilet Paper Holder (comic genius, that). :-) I shall attempt to put the shiny new buttons to good use! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 13:23, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi; there are several "invisible" techniques;
I'll try to write a page documenting these and other referencing techniques.
Thanks for the revert on Benjamin - how immature some people are! If you have a couple of months to spare perhaps you would like to take a peak at User:Giano/Blen Pal it concerns an old friend of ours, the page has needed a re-write for ages, but I had to wait until I had a day to do it (yesterday). Proper work today; it needs one more final surge about Capability Brown (tonight) and then I write poor old Van off. Have a nice day! Giano | talk 06:17, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. I'd like to thank you for supporting my RfA; in addition to trying to be a good admin, I'll do my best to further refine my reviews of FAC so I can really become the "helpful" FAC voter you see in me :D. Thank you.Phils 19:36, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
For some reasion this is showing up on Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, though I can't make out why. Do you have any idea? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:06, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Words fail me 06:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
How nice to be awakening from my tiring abeddings to see your beautiful copy editings, how luck am I? Did you not know that the symbol of the French is the hen? Oh yes it is. I see you make references to the ETPHs in the summaries, but I have not yet begun to describe the glories and marvels of the state bathroom, but they are coming soon, I am as we speak putting a battery in my digital camera. Thank you dearedt Bishonen for your masterful editings especially the talentful footnotes, I click them repeatedly just for the pleasure of admiting my own beautiful prose and your clever linkage! Do you like the goat, I have called her Cecilia. Pastorello
Sorry I have no time to rewrite it, I'm too busy looking for people to be rude and offensive to. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:46, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)
That would be nice if it did, I would say. For then I could point a complaining anon to some reasonable section of the Wikipedia:Manual of Style or Wikipedia:Manual of Style (titles) or Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters) :)) where some examples would explain how to do song titles in Wikipedia. But did I miss that section on not capitalizing the prepositions in song titles when I read those pages again that last time? :)) Good to meet you, friend! I especially appreciated and enjoyed what you did with Shakespeare's reputation. That page really shines today--not even six months later. ---Rednblu | Talk 01:43, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, just thought I'd let you know that I have added the conflicting primary evidence regarding Anne Bracegirdle's birth to the article. Rje 19:20, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Just think; some people say that lawyers talk in unintelligible jargon, well we now know they are not alone - [22]. Do you want me nominate you, or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick? Oh yes I am home (I won a cup for tennis!!!!!!!) I shall photograph it for my user page. Cecilia had better come home tomorrow. Giano | talk 20:48, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
PS: I notice there is no mention of congratulations of my glories on the tennis court.
For supporting my RfA! I appreciate your support very much! Yours, El_C 03:01, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Yes it looks set to go the way of Buckingham Palace pity, but not a lot one can do, I should have put in more "what the Butler saw", and "Lady Celandine's heaving bossom, as she met Lord Wayne on the moonlit night in the Summerhouse, as the nightjars called over the still waters.......". Think I shall give up architecture, and write about Japanese gameshows, failing that find another New Zealand architect! Giano | talk 06:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
You're going to get more support than I do, I just know it. And then I'm going to laugh so hard at the way you opposed it initially... JRM · Talk 07:52, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
I have, incidentally, made some edits to my user page. This normally should not concern you, but in this case I must insist you make no attempt to mirror my efforts on your own page. I thought of it first and I claim intellectual ownership of this idea, by an appeal to simple morality. So basically, you're stuck. Thanks. JRM · Talk 23:38, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Mylady, I hold you in the highest esteem possible, and this I say without the irony my comments are usually laced with. Taking your self-admitted rakish past into account, however, I felt precautions were necessary. My apologies for not assuming sufficient good faith taste. JRM · Talk 00:45, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
Finally you decided to accept a nomination to be an admin. Argh! I wanted to nominate you! :P Ta bu shi da yu 02:59, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Instead of an Admin, we shall have a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love Bishonen and despair!
Cheers PRiis 03:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
There I was, feeling all popular and esteemed with 49 votes, and then you come along and get a stinking 65 votes in two days! Well, I might just have to block you and roll back all your contributions! Worldtraveller 11:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh! I read your link, this is all far too complicated, I am taking my goat home (she's been neglected here) in order to have an intelligent conversation with somebody. Cecilia and I are forming a clique of two, and are going to write highly POV articles about the world's major buildings together! Giano | talk 20:48, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Listen; I'm rude and you're immature, lets form a cabal. Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:08, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
The guy is trying to use IRC for making a statement on RfA, and that's not allowed. What no one has done, though, is really tell him what a turd he's being. What drew the sour remarks was that he went to IRC to fart at the GFDL. Since Wikipedia is built on the GFDL and Wikipedians is made up of people who work on Wikipedia, what the hell else kind of response did he expect? Let's all go to the Opera Dei website and shout about atheism and then expect a nice reception! Sheesh. If you go to http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/index.htm , this Nathan is a dead ringer for quite a few of the Evil Clown descriptions. Geogre 19:05, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Aha, penile servitude on my page, fantastic. Compare this kind comment. Fil, why don't you admit it, you're jealous because nobody's accused you of being a highschool student! Hey, Geogre, I hope you noticed I wrote to you on Jrm's page? (Why not, I seem to make a habit of writing anything anywhere.)--Bishonen | talk 22:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
You're right, of course, I'm consumed with jealousy. Please won't somebody call me juvinile? Why should I always lose out on all the fun? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:30, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
At the time of writing, 100 Wikipedians from all walks of life had expressed the opinion that you are a good choice for an administrator. Congratulations! JRM · Talk 02:41, 2005 May 7 (UTC)
Of all the users to come to Wikipedia, I can think of no one who deserves 100 pro votes on RfA except you, Bishonen. Congratulations, and welcome (prematurely, maybe) to the administrator ranks. Geogre 03:28, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, guys! Turbo adminship vote passes sound barrier! YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES! I get the toaster! Get User:Evil Monkey a commemorative plaque! Bishonen | talk 05:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I knew it! I just knew it! The moment I saw your name on the admin nomination page, I was absolutely stone-cold positive that you'd break 100 votes. You're up to 101...plus one nay vote from what appears to be a troll. Enjoy that toaster, Bish! Use it well!! XOXOXO! - Lucky 6.9 07:14, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! I just wish I had noticed your nomination! dbenbenn | talk 22:00, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Just a note to tell you that Fil will be away for a while. He has gone to get some legumes removed from his nostrils. --Theo (Talk) 08:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful.
Maybe your loyal band of supporters will give you a microwave, now. :) Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 14:27, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Zzyzx11, the handsome microwave which will always remind me of this proud moment got silently deleted by the bad database (slaps database), good job I checked the history! Thank you! --Bishonen | talk 15:17, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! I know you'll be a fine admin, though I hope that it will not keep you from contributing prime content in the future. — mark ✎ 14:39, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I imagine that it is going to get pretty crowded in here. --Theo (Talk) 15:07, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Wait, wait! Ralph Nader has demanded a recount in Ohio. The toaster and microwave will have to go into escrow. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 16:10, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Nasal cavities are now a bean-free zone. I was wondering if you had a free slot in your diary for us to interface so as to discuss the application of your new mega-powers to this article in an ongoing, meaningful, dynamic, proactive and creative manner so as to maximise ROI while maintaing academic standards? I assume that, like Tony Blair, you will now "focus relentlessly on the people's priorities"? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:19, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
You sent me a notice regarding removal of content, accusing me of vandalism. I'm baffled, since the only edits I have performed today removed a sentence that was a direct lift from a space.com article, and then replaced it with new text based on multiple sources that made the same point, and then expanded on it. Could you be more specific about what you are accusing me of, please? -- 80.168.226.10 12:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I wish you would archive some of this fan mail, it takes so long to get dpwn here, I'm surprised you get any messages at all. I thought you must know something literary about CW that I didn't. Shakespeare designed Windsor Castle, not many people know that. No I can't think of anybody either, anyway I'm tired of writing long boring pages nobody wants to read, and am going to diversify my subjects into my second favourite recreational hobby building aquariam seascapes features for tropical fish. Giano | talk 16:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
hm, I had vowed at some point to avoid IRC altogether — and #wikipedia in particular, to maintain some farcical pretense of being in charge of my addiction :) I may join the channel though, if you say it's worth it (in two or three weeks). If you want to tell me something in particular offsite, of course, you can always email me. best regards, dab (ᛏ) 20:35, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Second message from dab was invisibled by mystery server clock FUBAR, I'm pasting it here (taking out weird timestamp):
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Well we will just have to wait and see Giano | talk 21:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
There is a RfA going down at Swedish Wikipedia right now [26], and your voice in this discussion might be very important. I'm trying to get my fellow countrymen to appreciate the finer points of things like justifying their votes and not voting for admins because they think they can do a good job.
Peter Isotalo 09:39, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
Don't know if you replied to mine yesterday or not, my email thing's not working, nothing for two days, have to wait for a man to come a reconfigure it again. Blast. Giano | talk 13:21, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
My last action on my talk page was to delete (not rollback or archive) a whine from the IP user. Look at the diffs, though. This dirk managed to post to my user page without showing up in the revision history? Astonishing, unless.... Geogre 20:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Geogre: I offered, on your talk page, to leave as soon as you "stop badmouthing me here and elsewhere on this site," since the thought doesn't much appeal to me of having to defend myself against your obnoxiously inaccurate accusations for perpetuity and beyond. Since I wrote that about an hour ago, you've called me an "anonymous coward" (in fact, I'm tied to this IP), and now you're trying to portray my polite request as a "whine," as well as insinuating... that I'm some kind of poltergeist? What exactly is your "astonishing" observation about the history tab?
So let me offer again: Stop attacking me, and I won't bother you either. Okay? 66.65.88.245 20:56, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, I'm sorry for cluttering this discussion page; the editing page says it's already "longer than preferable," in case you'd like to know. 66.65.88.245 21:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
You're kidding, right? What makes me think you called me an "anonymous coward?" Could it be that you deleted my (polite and reasonable) request from your talk page with the note "Deleting anonymous coward"? -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Geogre&diff=0&oldid=13574400
Now that's kind of insulting. Seriously, man. Please leave me alone and stop spreading these petty little digs at me around this site. Is that really so bizarre to ask of you?
66.65.88.245 14:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
After a close examination by the linguists Mustafaa (some time ago) and Peter Isotalo, and having even stood close scrutiny by the Guru of Verifiability himself, an eagle-eyed non-specialist such as yourself is all we need to depart for FAC. Would you be willing to lend your skilful hand to Gbe languages? There might be the usual EAL-issues, and maybe you can point me to unnecessary linguistic lingo that should be simplified. If you have the time, that is. Though please don't point out so many errors and omissions that I have to keep it on ice till I regain the courage to work on it <cough>. Kidding, just be honest. . Kind regards, — mark ✎ 22:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
As the most popular candidate for admin ever, you must be a fair-minded person. I don't know whether you really want some background on this issue; perhaps you have a chosen mode of discourse. In any case, I would be happy to point you to the main places in which arguments have been made. The matter is not of great importance but it is a stubborn blot on our procedures. I welcome the opportunity to answer your any question. — Xiong熊talk* 01:53, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
Replied on my talk. — Xiong熊talk* 11:22, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Dear new user, please archive your page, or we will hunt you down. (Oh, and I just adjusted the language a little on the dab, as I think that's how I've seen it more commonly. You are going to have to unred one of those links now. (tee-hee)) Geogre 16:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I chuckled over creating work for you on Solange. As penance for exceeding the 32 kb limit and having too many stinking awards, you must write Solange (novel), with a redirect from Solange (book), and archive your page. Geogre 21:41, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Want a laugh, I've been so stupid, 2 new people on my subjects, I'm not alone I thought and I've been talking to both this afternoon [27] and [28] can you beleiveI've been so daft! I just hope Signora Whatsit gets hold of them, but at least she's harmless. Giano | talk 21:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
A while ago, I mistakenly adviced User:Fred chessplayer to bring Emanuel Swedenborg to peer review, when I should have told him to take it to RfC (because of some anonymous religious POV-pusher who kept changing the text). Since then the article has grown and reached a certain degree of stability. Do you think it is time to take it to peer review again, for real this time and with intent to get it to FA-status? I have not personally worked on it, except for some minor details, but I could probably add some stuff on some related articles if needed. I would like to see some featured articles on Swedish topics, and Swedenborg might be a good place to start. Uppland 05:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
hello bish -- I know you are more into the tangible or visual arts, but if you have any sense for musical, or shall we say acoustic, refinery, and their contribution to civilization, both Western and Far Eastern, you may be interested in the stub I have just created at braigetori (it's in article space, mind, and I intend to keep it there, true art will not be hushed away to the user namespace like a bad joke :p ) dab (ᛏ) 15:02, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I notice the exchange you had with a user at User_talk:Hamidifar#Please_stop. Well, he has added the information back in again, but I am not sure how many more warnings this user will get before a block is issued. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 17:42, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
"You are always right, Bishonen!" 81.135.5.90 07:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I've gotten into a small dispute with User:Nixdorf, who moved Uppsala Cathedral to Uppsala cathedral (see User talk:Nixdorf). I think English style would dictate a capital C in the second word, but don't want to revert the move without getting a second opinion. You seem to be the right person to consult. Uppland 18:39, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
In that case she's out of luck, there's none of that fancy stuff available here. She can pull my summer sleigh, if you insist.--Bishonen | talk 22:22, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen - just noticed you cleaned this ridiculous comment at RC patrol: Tony Sidaway: [[29]] - User has been deleting all editions without any rhyme or reason and shortened the entire text to incomprehensible definitions.
I just checked a couple of page histories. I discovered that Tony reverted a spurious one-line addition to the article added by User:Harvarder. Surprise, surprise, it was Harvarder who wrote the comment at RC Patrol. Seems standards are slipping in the Ivy League... Grutness...wha? 09:05, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
This trophy is awarded in recognition of all your great work. Normally I would drop it on your userpage, but with all the design on it, I daren't. Please insert it appropriately yourself! (You don't actually have to.)--Bishonen | talk 09:38, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
My Windows 2000 article has developed into a monster! :-) Seriously though, I need someone's assistance with a good copyedit (even though the article isn't quite done yet). Could you help out with this? I'm sure I have some shocking grammar and stupid spelling mistakes. Feel up to the challenge of helping me out with this? - Ta bu shi da yu 12:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
I do appreciate your note on my talk page. I'm kinda feeling down about the whole business, and it's good to see people who are understand :) Ta bu shi da yu 03:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I have posted a message at Talk:Developed_country#Page_protected. Thank you. —Cantus…☎ 05:29, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Dear Madam,
Your page seems a suitably apt place to make known my feelings. I have been forced to break my self imposed exile from Wikipedia to complain in the strongest possible terms about the vandalism (both wicked and wanton) which happened yesterday to Dalek. This has horrified intellectuals around the world, many of whom like myself, in their youthful years and beyond, have spent many fruitful hours with a biscuit tin on their heads and a drain unblocker exterminating local goats. What is most horrific about this particular piece of malicious and unpleasant vandalism is that not since Wikipedia put on its front page that article (whose name escapes me) about about a Japanese computer game involving scantily clad girls has Wikipedia provided such a service to the education of the masses. The front page is Wikipedia's shop window, now it is known globally, and probably other places as well, that a wikipedia editor does not take such pages totally seriously, and has publicly displayed a tasteless senses of humour which many found distressing, indeed so tasteless and distressing that millions around the world are probably seeking counselling as we speak. This vandalism is far worse and more horrific than when the front page was soiled by a picture of an athaletic gentleman enjoying his own company in an anatomically impossible (for me anyway) fashion. My one consolation is that reading the wise words here [30] I now realise there are enough right thinking people in the world to begin my noble campaign for the re-establishment of the inquisition, an organisation which would deal with such heretical editors as "Ta bu whatsit" in the only proper fashion. Until the dawn of that happy day "Ta bu whatsit" must be banned for life, and thereafter allowed only to edit such weighty and boring pages as TPH etc. I could go on, but this whole sorry business has bought about a recurrance of my angina, and furthermore...................
Yours sincerely
That's a pretty abrupt swing--from a Fabergé egg to a call for censure in less than two days. Would you like me to take the egg off my user page? I won't pretend to understand why some people called for our censure in this case; an RfC is the recommended step in that stage of dispute resolution, and in this case it was effective where previous good-faith attempts to communicate had been ignored. I'm utterly at a loss as to how else the score of people who thought Neutrality's actions were a little excessive could have communicated with him, since he had steadfastly ignored all polite attempts to make our concerns known. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Bishonen, I caught your discussion in progress from Tony Sidaway's page. I just want to simply add that had Neutrality responded to me in any way other than blanking his user page, I would not have certified the RfC myself. Surely that is the next step when someone not only refuses to communicate, but attempts to rebuff the attempts of others to communicate, isn't it?
He not only gave me no response to a legitimate concern, he removed my attempt to communicate with him, as well as the good faith attempts of others. Considering his other comment to me, " I don't feel like showing the least bit respect for someone who—of his own free will—votes "keep" on dozens of schools"; I thought RfC regarding (not against) Neutrality was the ONLY next step available to me in the dispute resolution process. You can't pick and choose who to respect based on how they vote in VfD, especially considering he's an administrator and one of only twelve arbitrators here on Wikipedia.
Now he's blanked all record of the schools issue, from his user page, labeling it as bullshit/spam. This further edit summary is extremely inflammatory and disrespectful of myself, Tony Sidaway, Radiant!, and everyone else who tried to communicate with him in good faith regarding this issue, but is not part of the original RfC. --Unfocused 16:41, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I very much agree with Unfocused that the RfC was really the only thing to do here. Perhaps there's a culture arising that say we shouldn't try to communicate our concerns to people if they show that they don't give a stuff about them, even if there are a few of us. Well if so that culture is inimical to resolving disputes. If editors just feel free to go on ignoring disputes about their ongoing behavior then there can never be any kind of dispute resolution. I don't expect other editors to act on my concerns, but I do expect them to show good faith and not (as Neutrality did on his talk page) put up a notice that says, I quote: "I archive when I feel like it. Depending on my whim, your comments may or may not be archived. The odds of not being archived are inversely proportional to the amount you annoy me. Please do not annoy me." He also filed another eight VfDs, on top of nearly thirty he'd filed in the morning. When four people make reasonable expressions of their concerns on a user talk page, that is not the kind of response that can be regarded as reasonable. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
If you go back to the RfC you'll see that my approach to Neutrality on his user talk page could not have been more reasonable. I suggested that listing so many VfDs on that particular day could be seen as excessive, and asked him to keep down to a maximum of ten per day. His behavior was tying up lots of editors in scrambling to vote this way or that, as well as causing a degree of polarization on this issue which I'm sure no editor wants to cause. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
You may recall that after my premature listing of David Helvarg on WP:FAC I moved it to WP:RFC. I have since put it back on FAC. It has now been hugely rewritten and I would welcome your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/David Helvarg/archive1. --Theo (Talk) 15:19, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I thought that there exist a need for either two articles, and was pleasantly surprised to find both. However, the state of the articles is appalling. There're so much to say in either cases, and to examine the trends and common themes in all of them. And since you have done such a good job in Shakespeare's reputation, I can't think of a better person to nominate doing the job. How would you like beefing up the articles? All you need is a few good reference books like Bradley's Shakespearean tragedies and a Cambridge or Oxford guide to Shakespeare. I'm sure you can find lots of help on the way. When it is done, we can link to them in the Shakespeare main article. Mandel 15:26, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Just to let you know... as an administrator, you still can add the protection notice even if the page is still protected. -- AllyUnion (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Uh...? Developed country is the first and only page I have protected, and I unproteted it and removed the tag simultaneously, after 24 hours. Did I miss something? Nothing is more likely, mind you, as the whole protection/unprotection procedure is a little intimidating the first time. Or, hey, did you simply mean that this maneouvre was unnecessary:
>13:56, 23 May 2005 Bishonen unprotected Developed country (just to put the ((protected)) template in there)
Right? I have mysterious editing powers that override the protection?
I'm replying on your page, as I usually do, but it unnerves me a little to note that it is protected. So, I can still edit it, but is it a faux pas and abuse of my superpowers to do so? Anyway, thanks for telling me, that'll come in useful! Bishonen | talk 09:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Bish. You're great!--Wiglaf 18:17, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
It's great to see Wycherly shining forth in fine clothes for all the world to read about. I hope you're braced for the inevitable flood of editing of the article, sometimes good, sometimes not, but mainly insubstantial. Geogre 03:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I am the anon user (actually called Jaie) who created the "gay (homosexual)" page. I dont understand what the problem is. The word "gay" is clearly ambiguous, as it could mean happy or homosexual amonst other things. Therefor it clearly needs two pages, one talking about the emotion, and the other talking about the sexual persuasion. The only way you can do this is by linking the word "gay" to a disambiguation page, with links to pages discussing the two topics above. BTW, I dont know if this is the right way to post on a discussion page, being fairly newish, if its not my apologies.
I'm not sure I actually said "happy" was the main meaning of the word now, but it is still a valid meaning (in fact Wiktionary lists it as the primary meaning), and therefor there is ambiguity within the word surely? Will copy the above post to the "gay" talk page, anyhow, and see what they make of it....
Hi. To let you know (if you didn't already), I have replied to your comments on my RFA. ✏ OvenFresh² 18:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Please post at the foot of the page!
My saved bits, Second subpage
Archive 1, Archive 2, Archive 3, Archive 4, Archive 5, Archive 6, Archive 7
Just think; some people say that lawyers talk in unintelligible jargon, well we now know they are not alone - [32]. Do you want me nominate you, or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick? Oh yes I am home (I won a cup for tennis!!!!!!!) I shall photograph it for my user page. Cecilia had better come home tomorrow. Giano | talk 20:48, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
PS: I notice there is no mention of congratulations of my glories on the tennis court.
For supporting my RfA! I appreciate your support very much! Yours, El_C 03:01, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Yes it looks set to go the way of Buckingham Palace pity, but not a lot one can do, I should have put in more "what the Butler saw", and "Lady Celandine's heaving bossom, as she met Lord Wayne on the moonlit night in the Summerhouse, as the nightjars called over the still waters.......". Think I shall give up architecture, and write about Japanese gameshows, failing that find another New Zealand architect! Giano | talk 06:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
You're going to get more support than I do, I just know it. And then I'm going to laugh so hard at the way you opposed it initially... JRM · Talk 07:52, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
I have, incidentally, made some edits to my user page. This normally should not concern you, but in this case I must insist you make no attempt to mirror my efforts on your own page. I thought of it first and I claim intellectual ownership of this idea, by an appeal to simple morality. So basically, you're stuck. Thanks. JRM · Talk 23:38, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
Mylady, I hold you in the highest esteem possible, and this I say without the irony my comments are usually laced with. Taking your self-admitted rakish past into account, however, I felt precautions were necessary. My apologies for not assuming sufficient good faith taste. JRM · Talk 00:45, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
Finally you decided to accept a nomination to be an admin. Argh! I wanted to nominate you! :P Ta bu shi da yu 02:59, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Instead of an Admin, we shall have a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love Bishonen and despair!
Cheers PRiis 03:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
There I was, feeling all popular and esteemed with 49 votes, and then you come along and get a stinking 65 votes in two days! Well, I might just have to block you and roll back all your contributions! Worldtraveller 11:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh! I read your link, this is all far too complicated, I am taking my goat home (she's been neglected here) in order to have an intelligent conversation with somebody. Cecilia and I are forming a clique of two, and are going to write highly POV articles about the world's major buildings together! Giano | talk 20:48, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Listen; I'm rude and you're immature, lets form a cabal. Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:08, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
The guy is trying to use IRC for making a statement on RfA, and that's not allowed. What no one has done, though, is really tell him what a turd he's being. What drew the sour remarks was that he went to IRC to fart at the GFDL. Since Wikipedia is built on the GFDL and Wikipedians is made up of people who work on Wikipedia, what the hell else kind of response did he expect? Let's all go to the Opera Dei website and shout about atheism and then expect a nice reception! Sheesh. If you go to http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/index.htm , this Nathan is a dead ringer for quite a few of the Evil Clown descriptions. Geogre 19:05, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Aha, penile servitude on my page, fantastic. Compare this kind comment. Fil, why don't you admit it, you're jealous because nobody's accused you of being a highschool student! Hey, Geogre, I hope you noticed I wrote to you on Jrm's page? (Why not, I seem to make a habit of writing anything anywhere.)--Bishonen | talk 22:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
You're right, of course, I'm consumed with jealousy. Please won't somebody call me juvinile? Why should I always lose out on all the fun? Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:30, May 5, 2005 (UTC)
At the time of writing, 100 Wikipedians from all walks of life had expressed the opinion that you are a good choice for an administrator. Congratulations! JRM · Talk 02:41, 2005 May 7 (UTC)
Of all the users to come to Wikipedia, I can think of no one who deserves 100 pro votes on RfA except you, Bishonen. Congratulations, and welcome (prematurely, maybe) to the administrator ranks. Geogre 03:28, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, guys! Turbo adminship vote passes sound barrier! YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES! I get the toaster! Get User:Evil Monkey a commemorative plaque! Bishonen | talk 05:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
I knew it! I just knew it! The moment I saw your name on the admin nomination page, I was absolutely stone-cold positive that you'd break 100 votes. You're up to 101...plus one nay vote from what appears to be a troll. Enjoy that toaster, Bish! Use it well!! XOXOXO! - Lucky 6.9 07:14, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! I just wish I had noticed your nomination! dbenbenn | talk 22:00, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Just a note to tell you that Fil will be away for a while. He has gone to get some legumes removed from his nostrils. --Theo (Talk) 08:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful.
Maybe your loyal band of supporters will give you a microwave, now. :) Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 14:27, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Zzyzx11, the handsome microwave which will always remind me of this proud moment got silently deleted by the bad database (slaps database), good job I checked the history! Thank you! --Bishonen | talk 15:17, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! I know you'll be a fine admin, though I hope that it will not keep you from contributing prime content in the future. — mark ✎ 14:39, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I imagine that it is going to get pretty crowded in here. --Theo (Talk) 15:07, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Wait, wait! Ralph Nader has demanded a recount in Ohio. The toaster and microwave will have to go into escrow. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 16:10, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Nasal cavities are now a bean-free zone. I was wondering if you had a free slot in your diary for us to interface so as to discuss the application of your new mega-powers to this article in an ongoing, meaningful, dynamic, proactive and creative manner so as to maximise ROI while maintaing academic standards? I assume that, like Tony Blair, you will now "focus relentlessly on the people's priorities"? Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:19, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
You sent me a notice regarding removal of content, accusing me of vandalism. I'm baffled, since the only edits I have performed today removed a sentence that was a direct lift from a space.com article, and then replaced it with new text based on multiple sources that made the same point, and then expanded on it. Could you be more specific about what you are accusing me of, please? -- 80.168.226.10 12:43, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
I wish you would archive some of this fan mail, it takes so long to get dpwn here, I'm surprised you get any messages at all. I thought you must know something literary about CW that I didn't. Shakespeare designed Windsor Castle, not many people know that. No I can't think of anybody either, anyway I'm tired of writing long boring pages nobody wants to read, and am going to diversify my subjects into my second favourite recreational hobby building aquariam seascapes features for tropical fish. Giano | talk 16:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
hm, I had vowed at some point to avoid IRC altogether — and #wikipedia in particular, to maintain some farcical pretense of being in charge of my addiction :) I may join the channel though, if you say it's worth it (in two or three weeks). If you want to tell me something in particular offsite, of course, you can always email me. best regards, dab (ᛏ) 20:35, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Second message from dab was invisibled by mystery server clock FUBAR, I'm pasting it here (taking out weird timestamp):
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Well we will just have to wait and see Giano | talk 21:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
There is a RfA going down at Swedish Wikipedia right now [36], and your voice in this discussion might be very important. I'm trying to get my fellow countrymen to appreciate the finer points of things like justifying their votes and not voting for admins because they think they can do a good job.
Peter Isotalo 09:39, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
Don't know if you replied to mine yesterday or not, my email thing's not working, nothing for two days, have to wait for a man to come a reconfigure it again. Blast. Giano | talk 13:21, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
My last action on my talk page was to delete (not rollback or archive) a whine from the IP user. Look at the diffs, though. This dirk managed to post to my user page without showing up in the revision history? Astonishing, unless.... Geogre 20:33, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Geogre: I offered, on your talk page, to leave as soon as you "stop badmouthing me here and elsewhere on this site," since the thought doesn't much appeal to me of having to defend myself against your obnoxiously inaccurate accusations for perpetuity and beyond. Since I wrote that about an hour ago, you've called me an "anonymous coward" (in fact, I'm tied to this IP), and now you're trying to portray my polite request as a "whine," as well as insinuating... that I'm some kind of poltergeist? What exactly is your "astonishing" observation about the history tab?
So let me offer again: Stop attacking me, and I won't bother you either. Okay? 66.65.88.245 20:56, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, I'm sorry for cluttering this discussion page; the editing page says it's already "longer than preferable," in case you'd like to know. 66.65.88.245 21:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
You're kidding, right? What makes me think you called me an "anonymous coward?" Could it be that you deleted my (polite and reasonable) request from your talk page with the note "Deleting anonymous coward"? -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Geogre&diff=0&oldid=13574400
Now that's kind of insulting. Seriously, man. Please leave me alone and stop spreading these petty little digs at me around this site. Is that really so bizarre to ask of you?
66.65.88.245 14:25, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
After a close examination by the linguists Mustafaa (some time ago) and Peter Isotalo, and having even stood close scrutiny by the Guru of Verifiability himself, an eagle-eyed non-specialist such as yourself is all we need to depart for FAC. Would you be willing to lend your skilful hand to Gbe languages? There might be the usual EAL-issues, and maybe you can point me to unnecessary linguistic lingo that should be simplified. If you have the time, that is. Though please don't point out so many errors and omissions that I have to keep it on ice till I regain the courage to work on it <cough>. Kidding, just be honest. . Kind regards, — mark ✎ 22:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
As the most popular candidate for admin ever, you must be a fair-minded person. I don't know whether you really want some background on this issue; perhaps you have a chosen mode of discourse. In any case, I would be happy to point you to the main places in which arguments have been made. The matter is not of great importance but it is a stubborn blot on our procedures. I welcome the opportunity to answer your any question. — Xiong熊talk* 01:53, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
Replied on my talk. — Xiong熊talk* 11:22, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
Dear new user, please archive your page, or we will hunt you down. (Oh, and I just adjusted the language a little on the dab, as I think that's how I've seen it more commonly. You are going to have to unred one of those links now. (tee-hee)) Geogre 16:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I chuckled over creating work for you on Solange. As penance for exceeding the 32 kb limit and having too many stinking awards, you must write Solange (novel), with a redirect from Solange (book), and archive your page. Geogre 21:41, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Want a laugh, I've been so stupid, 2 new people on my subjects, I'm not alone I thought and I've been talking to both this afternoon [37] and [38] can you beleiveI've been so daft! I just hope Signora Whatsit gets hold of them, but at least she's harmless. Giano | talk 21:58, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
A while ago, I mistakenly adviced User:Fred chessplayer to bring Emanuel Swedenborg to peer review, when I should have told him to take it to RfC (because of some anonymous religious POV-pusher who kept changing the text). Since then the article has grown and reached a certain degree of stability. Do you think it is time to take it to peer review again, for real this time and with intent to get it to FA-status? I have not personally worked on it, except for some minor details, but I could probably add some stuff on some related articles if needed. I would like to see some featured articles on Swedish topics, and Swedenborg might be a good place to start. Uppland 05:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
hello bish -- I know you are more into the tangible or visual arts, but if you have any sense for musical, or shall we say acoustic, refinery, and their contribution to civilization, both Western and Far Eastern, you may be interested in the stub I have just created at braigetori (it's in article space, mind, and I intend to keep it there, true art will not be hushed away to the user namespace like a bad joke :p ) dab (ᛏ) 15:02, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I notice the exchange you had with a user at User_talk:Hamidifar#Please_stop. Well, he has added the information back in again, but I am not sure how many more warnings this user will get before a block is issued. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 17:42, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
"You are always right, Bishonen!" 81.135.5.90 07:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I've gotten into a small dispute with User:Nixdorf, who moved Uppsala Cathedral to Uppsala cathedral (see User talk:Nixdorf). I think English style would dictate a capital C in the second word, but don't want to revert the move without getting a second opinion. You seem to be the right person to consult. Uppland 18:39, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
In that case she's out of luck, there's none of that fancy stuff available here. She can pull my summer sleigh, if you insist.--Bishonen | talk 22:22, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen - just noticed you cleaned this ridiculous comment at RC patrol: Tony Sidaway: [[39]] - User has been deleting all editions without any rhyme or reason and shortened the entire text to incomprehensible definitions.
I just checked a couple of page histories. I discovered that Tony reverted a spurious one-line addition to the article added by User:Harvarder. Surprise, surprise, it was Harvarder who wrote the comment at RC Patrol. Seems standards are slipping in the Ivy League... Grutness...wha? 09:05, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
This trophy is awarded in recognition of all your great work. Normally I would drop it on your userpage, but with all the design on it, I daren't. Please insert it appropriately yourself! (You don't actually have to.)--Bishonen | talk 09:38, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
My Windows 2000 article has developed into a monster! :-) Seriously though, I need someone's assistance with a good copyedit (even though the article isn't quite done yet). Could you help out with this? I'm sure I have some shocking grammar and stupid spelling mistakes. Feel up to the challenge of helping me out with this? - Ta bu shi da yu 12:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
I do appreciate your note on my talk page. I'm kinda feeling down about the whole business, and it's good to see people who are understand :) Ta bu shi da yu 03:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I have posted a message at Talk:Developed_country#Page_protected. Thank you. —Cantus…☎ 05:29, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Dear Madam,
Your page seems a suitably apt place to make known my feelings. I have been forced to break my self imposed exile from Wikipedia to complain in the strongest possible terms about the vandalism (both wicked and wanton) which happened yesterday to Dalek. This has horrified intellectuals around the world, many of whom like myself, in their youthful years and beyond, have spent many fruitful hours with a biscuit tin on their heads and a drain unblocker exterminating local goats. What is most horrific about this particular piece of malicious and unpleasant vandalism is that not since Wikipedia put on its front page that article (whose name escapes me) about about a Japanese computer game involving scantily clad girls has Wikipedia provided such a service to the education of the masses. The front page is Wikipedia's shop window, now it is known globally, and probably other places as well, that a wikipedia editor does not take such pages totally seriously, and has publicly displayed a tasteless senses of humour which many found distressing, indeed so tasteless and distressing that millions around the world are probably seeking counselling as we speak. This vandalism is far worse and more horrific than when the front page was soiled by a picture of an athaletic gentleman enjoying his own company in an anatomically impossible (for me anyway) fashion. My one consolation is that reading the wise words here [40] I now realise there are enough right thinking people in the world to begin my noble campaign for the re-establishment of the inquisition, an organisation which would deal with such heretical editors as "Ta bu whatsit" in the only proper fashion. Until the dawn of that happy day "Ta bu whatsit" must be banned for life, and thereafter allowed only to edit such weighty and boring pages as TPH etc. I could go on, but this whole sorry business has bought about a recurrance of my angina, and furthermore...................
Yours sincerely
That's a pretty abrupt swing--from a Fabergé egg to a call for censure in less than two days. Would you like me to take the egg off my user page? I won't pretend to understand why some people called for our censure in this case; an RfC is the recommended step in that stage of dispute resolution, and in this case it was effective where previous good-faith attempts to communicate had been ignored. I'm utterly at a loss as to how else the score of people who thought Neutrality's actions were a little excessive could have communicated with him, since he had steadfastly ignored all polite attempts to make our concerns known. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Bishonen, I caught your discussion in progress from Tony Sidaway's page. I just want to simply add that had Neutrality responded to me in any way other than blanking his user page, I would not have certified the RfC myself. Surely that is the next step when someone not only refuses to communicate, but attempts to rebuff the attempts of others to communicate, isn't it?
He not only gave me no response to a legitimate concern, he removed my attempt to communicate with him, as well as the good faith attempts of others. Considering his other comment to me, " I don't feel like showing the least bit respect for someone who—of his own free will—votes "keep" on dozens of schools"; I thought RfC regarding (not against) Neutrality was the ONLY next step available to me in the dispute resolution process. You can't pick and choose who to respect based on how they vote in VfD, especially considering he's an administrator and one of only twelve arbitrators here on Wikipedia.
Now he's blanked all record of the schools issue, from his user page, labeling it as bullshit/spam. This further edit summary is extremely inflammatory and disrespectful of myself, Tony Sidaway, Radiant!, and everyone else who tried to communicate with him in good faith regarding this issue, but is not part of the original RfC. --Unfocused 16:41, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I very much agree with Unfocused that the RfC was really the only thing to do here. Perhaps there's a culture arising that say we shouldn't try to communicate our concerns to people if they show that they don't give a stuff about them, even if there are a few of us. Well if so that culture is inimical to resolving disputes. If editors just feel free to go on ignoring disputes about their ongoing behavior then there can never be any kind of dispute resolution. I don't expect other editors to act on my concerns, but I do expect them to show good faith and not (as Neutrality did on his talk page) put up a notice that says, I quote: "I archive when I feel like it. Depending on my whim, your comments may or may not be archived. The odds of not being archived are inversely proportional to the amount you annoy me. Please do not annoy me." He also filed another eight VfDs, on top of nearly thirty he'd filed in the morning. When four people make reasonable expressions of their concerns on a user talk page, that is not the kind of response that can be regarded as reasonable. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
If you go back to the RfC you'll see that my approach to Neutrality on his user talk page could not have been more reasonable. I suggested that listing so many VfDs on that particular day could be seen as excessive, and asked him to keep down to a maximum of ten per day. His behavior was tying up lots of editors in scrambling to vote this way or that, as well as causing a degree of polarization on this issue which I'm sure no editor wants to cause. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:38, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
You may recall that after my premature listing of David Helvarg on WP:FAC I moved it to WP:RFC. I have since put it back on FAC. It has now been hugely rewritten and I would welcome your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/David Helvarg/archive1. --Theo (Talk) 15:19, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I thought that there exist a need for either two articles, and was pleasantly surprised to find both. However, the state of the articles is appalling. There're so much to say in either cases, and to examine the trends and common themes in all of them. And since you have done such a good job in Shakespeare's reputation, I can't think of a better person to nominate doing the job. How would you like beefing up the articles? All you need is a few good reference books like Bradley's Shakespearean tragedies and a Cambridge or Oxford guide to Shakespeare. I'm sure you can find lots of help on the way. When it is done, we can link to them in the Shakespeare main article. Mandel 15:26, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Just to let you know... as an administrator, you still can add the protection notice even if the page is still protected. -- AllyUnion (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Uh...? Developed country is the first and only page I have protected, and I unproteted it and removed the tag simultaneously, after 24 hours. Did I miss something? Nothing is more likely, mind you, as the whole protection/unprotection procedure is a little intimidating the first time. Or, hey, did you simply mean that this maneouvre was unnecessary:
>13:56, 23 May 2005 Bishonen unprotected Developed country (just to put the ((protected)) template in there)
Right? I have mysterious editing powers that override the protection?
I'm replying on your page, as I usually do, but it unnerves me a little to note that it is protected. So, I can still edit it, but is it a faux pas and abuse of my superpowers to do so? Anyway, thanks for telling me, that'll come in useful! Bishonen | talk 09:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Bish. You're great!--Wiglaf 18:17, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
It's great to see Wycherly shining forth in fine clothes for all the world to read about. I hope you're braced for the inevitable flood of editing of the article, sometimes good, sometimes not, but mainly insubstantial. Geogre 03:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I am the anon user (actually called Jaie) who created the "gay (homosexual)" page. I dont understand what the problem is. The word "gay" is clearly ambiguous, as it could mean happy or homosexual amonst other things. Therefor it clearly needs two pages, one talking about the emotion, and the other talking about the sexual persuasion. The only way you can do this is by linking the word "gay" to a disambiguation page, with links to pages discussing the two topics above. BTW, I dont know if this is the right way to post on a discussion page, being fairly newish, if its not my apologies.
I'm not sure I actually said "happy" was the main meaning of the word now, but it is still a valid meaning (in fact Wiktionary lists it as the primary meaning), and therefor there is ambiguity within the word surely? Will copy the above post to the "gay" talk page, anyhow, and see what they make of it....
Hi. To let you know (if you didn't already), I have replied to your comments on my RFA. ✏ OvenFresh² 18:36, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the image - you really care don't you. Your just a soft centred old sweet pea underneath. Giano | talk 19:32, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Thankyou for helping Kim Brunning and I with the query. Thryduulf 06:37, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Salve, Bishonen!
Haven't talked to you in a while; hope all is well. I've nom'd one of my articles at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bob McEwen on Congressman Bob McEwen and would appreciate your comments there. PedanticallySpeaking 14:42, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
A small sample. --Theo (Talk) 18:11, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
The feet sticking out from under the house won't be wearing long striped socks (the Bishonen Witch of the East) but, instead, will have curly toed shoes (Munchkin Geogre). I set the Restoration to exclude Bill and Mary, as I took a very narrow and very literal, political view of the period. I did that on purpose, of course, but, now that I think of it, it kind of excludes a lot of stuff. The literary epoch goes to 1700, but I figured that moving over to the political epoch would save gray hairs. See what I mean by being so in love with my voice that I'll committ the grand sweeps of an arm and leave the details for some later day? Geogre 10:47, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Njyoder has been accepted and is now open. Please bring evidence to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Njyoder/Evidence. Thank you. -- sannse (talk) 17:09, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
It is my pleasure to present you with The Tillie Blobbs Theatre Award for your excellence in articles relating to Restoration Theatre. This is presented on behalf of the newly created WikiProject Theatre which, at the moment, only consists of myself, but feel free to join! We'd love to be graced by your presence. Ganymead 18:24, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
At last one can leave a message here without having to wait half an hour for the page to download. Giano | talk 22:35, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! :) --FuriousFreddy 21:12, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
At last one can leave a message here without having to wait half an hour for the page to download. Giano | talk 22:36, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Bishonen. I feel I am being harassed. [43] (and [44]) Please see this and comment if you wish. Thanks. El_C 22:40, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
I figure that we don't need to be so precise. Let's put it this way, I can define the Restoration as the last of the Stuarts in a direct line (my way of tap dancing around Mary Stuart and Anne Stuart, who are both peripheral but Stuarts), but that doesn't mean that a discussion should follow such rigors. "Restoration literature" ends at different times for different genres. Arguably, it ended in prose in 1688, when the tumult of Whig and Tory meant lots of new satire and economic writing and the beginnings of periodical journalism. Arguably, it ended in theater in 1700. In poetry, it may not have ended until, if you think about it, 1735 (or, if not, then in 1667). It kind of depends on when the next big thing happened. We call it all "Restoration" because it's more homogenous than the other things, not because it obeyed a timeline, and so I think even my overview ought to express this hesitance with definition and voice a willingness to violate chronology. Geogre 13:48, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
There's no such thing as too pedantic. My problem is that I can't reference things properly, working as I must from the squishy stuff in my memory and whatever bits of foil I can collect for my nest. (I still have no Internet access at home; I'm doing this from work, to my shame.) You can see now, though, how I thought of proceeding. I have covered, to some small degree, prose and religious writing. These sections are hasty as heck and rife with the sorts of generalizations that overviews have to traffic in. I also added a warning about dating at the head, but that's because I think it's a warning that needs to be offered. After all, I have to go past 1689 to have journalism at all, and yet it's something so almost-formed 1660-1685 that I think it's irresponsible not to discuss it. The big gulp will be poetry. My fingers are too tired for that right now. Geogre 16:14, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
I have been recently disgusted in a message sent by you sugesting i have deledted work from pages, please specify which ones as i have only added and not deledted!-Thank you (posted by User:217.43.247.15
For as long as I can remember, Sam Spade has been an irritant. I'm glad to see that User:El C has not left us on SS's account and will pop over there and tell him so now. As you may have noticed, I don't often involve myself in disputes, but sometimes not even I can turn a blind eye. By the way, have you seen WP:FLC? An idea I've been toying with for some time, and suddenly a number of people seem to have the same notion. Filiocht | Blarneyman 08:23, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
Bye Bishonen! I'm off to school. I just saw you milling about and thought I'd wave. Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 11:04, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I am going to have this Restoration literature article's contributions from me done, absolutely, today. I still have no home Internet access. I'll also be out of town tomorrow. However, I only have to add L'Estrange, Ward, and Brown, and then I'll have exhausted all I know on the subject. I invite you to change or add or subtract. Geogre 15:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
User:GeneralEndicott left this delightful message on my talkpage. His edits seem to be limited to vandalism and harassment.
Peter Isotalo 14:44, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thanks for your vote in support of my admin nomination. My wife read your comment about it perhaps not being "the humane thing to do" and nodded knowingly. Paul August ☎ 17:45, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
Our aim is to please. What a list! Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:17, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
So you are experiencing that heady rush that comes with newly-acquired superpowers? Don't let it distract you from what you do better than most, which is adding new quality, high-culture content that helps to balance the flood of TV and pop music trivia. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:46, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Ciao bella donna, Would you care to pass comment here: [46] Giano | talk 12:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I know this is going to be difficult, but could you please help in straighetning out the mess at Talk:Gustav_II_Adolph_of_Sweden#Requested_moves? Most of the Gustavus-voters are being very unreasonable, the vote is a complete and utter mess and violet is just being very stubborn about not doing anything about it and claims that there's consensus for moving.
Uppland and john k are even suggesting that we be "consistent" and rename the first four Swedish king-Gustavs "Gustavus".
Peter Isotalo 13:08, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Why, thank you ma'am. Filiocht | Blarneyman 14:58, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
Have you seen this? Makes me look really unpopular. I wonder how Filiocht did in the popularity contest. -- ALoan (Talk)
Someone left a message for you on Talk:Bishonen, mindful that with your elevated status you must be in the main namespace. And indeed, with little delay, I have delivered it, so it can't be that bad of a way to reach you after all:
Hi Bishonen. Thanks for editing my Austen correction. I followed your links to here. Would the Ancient Greek term "ephebe" be a useful cultural comparison? BrainyBabe 01:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(Do you have Bishonen on your watchlist? Perhaps you ought to, for just such occurrences...) Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:11, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bish. I am not sure that the article is ready to be featured, but since an anonymous user thought so and tried to nominate it, I thought I could fix his failed nomination rather than put his attempt up for deletion. Hopefully, the article will attract attention and some more work. BTW, there were two Offas. One in England and one in the "homeland" of Angeln :).--Wiglaf 13:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bish, I just blocked this vandal 24.101.125.230, and only three minutes later someone sent me an e-mail full of viruses.--Wiglaf 18:55, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
(Hmm, no viruses on Apple? Well, maybe OS X does it differently, but the old Win viruses sure as shootin' messed up Apples. They just didn't do it the same way.) Geogre 15:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It appears that I did. I hadn't checked that address today yet, but I'm reading your mail now. Expect some response before I go to bed. :-) JRM · Talk 20:45, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)
Hi Bish, thanks for the note about IRC. Once I've got over the shame of me, a scientist, being instructed in computer matters by a literature fanatic, I will install one of the clients and come over to where the cool kids hang out!
As to the page you pointed out, it seems to me that you are too modest and I am not modest enough. I think it's a nice idea and pretty harmless, but found it hard to resist the temptation to add myself to other categories I'd fit into :) Worldtraveller 09:21, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
OK Giano | talk 15:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Gosh! You are good! You should take up a professional literary pursuit. --Theo (Talk) 14:54, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I was shocked to see that your excellent edit was reverted without acknowledgement or explanation. I find the behaviour surprising from such an experienced editor. I see that the server moves afford us a day off tomorrow. And so to bed. --Theo (Talk) 01:21, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, thanks for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. No 100+ votes in my case, but good enough! Fawcett5 19:29, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hello Bishonen (beautiful boy in Japanese?)
"Soda80, please take your concerns to the talk page instead of automatically reverting." I would be happy to talk or revise any text, however El C reverted repeatedly with no explanation, despite the fact that revision should ideally be used minimally, if I recall correctly. It would be great if you could answer me the simple question of who is obliged to talk first -- the deleter or contributor.
"Please source your claims. Any editor will be quite justified in removing statements based on Wikipedia's own Deep Throat "Some People". The points were taken from the external links at the bottom of the page, which include this argument, such as this one: [47].
Thanks.
Hi, Soda80. You can sign a message on a talk page by typing four tildes, which will convert automagically to your signature (provided you're logged in) and timestamp. Removing unsourced speculative claims from articles is considered proper. I see you had a source, but how was El C to know that? He can hardly be expected to start digging through the external links on the off-chance that one of them will turn out to be your source..! The best thing to do is put in some kind of reference to your source in the place where you make the claim itself: it doesn't have to be perfectly formatted or a proper footnote, somebody else can fix that, as long as you make it clear that "I got it from here". In this case, that would have allowed others to see that your souorce is in fact dubious. I don't blame you--it was among the external links--but if you scroll down to the bottom of the wikinfo page, you'll see that it's a Wikipedia fork: you're using Criticism of Wikipedia as its own source. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 20:29, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I cannot say I'm surprised at the results of your bold merging, but the effort is appreciated regardless. I really don't have the inclination to make a stink over this and get a few dozen users to agree with me first (although I have no doubt that I could do that if I wanted to, because, well, I think I'm right, dammit). JRM · Talk 08:15, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)
See the link on my talk page to the ongoing discussion about whether or not first name articles should disambiguate (old policy) or be Lists of articles (proposed). You would also see there a nascent rebellion against articles on every single cricket match. The former has me in high dudgeon. ("Chips, chips, chips, chips...who will take all these chips from our shoulders?") Geogre 21:49, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ah. In this case, I was referring to something that, I think, is much more benign. It's just the disambiguation talk page that I was referring to. That other stuff is still under investigation and advisement, and I'd prefer (still) not to address the person until I have a very wide board in my hand. My feeling is that I can craft a nice thick stick away from the drama of personal incommunication and then use it to drop from on high. Not as messy that way, especially emotionally. Geogre 01:40, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Help me! Please go immediatly to Province of and move it to Province of Catania I forgot to past ethe nem when moving it, and now it won't move back!!!! Giano | talk 13:10, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I started working up Augustan literature but found myself, per usual, so unable to let go of the historical context that I just kept telling people more and more about my favorite era. I'd welcome any critique. BTW, I found a trove of literary pictures (book form), and I'll be scanning & sharing them soon. Geogre 13:06, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
So, FAC it or not? I don't much care, but it would almost be amusing to see the comments from a certain segment of the room in response to it. BTW, see what I did to the bottom of it. I've done the same to the Augustan literature article. If'n we're going to have our English literature article break apart like that, we ought to make sure to have fuller articles at each location. Geogre 18:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Isn't disagreeing fun? I'm afraid I've voted in an entirely predictable fashion, but I'm fairly certain I'll be a minority voice in the end. Filiocht | Blarneyman 09:13, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
I think that there must be something nasty in Fil's poteen. Anyway, the reason I came here was to say thanks for the extensive explanation of the assassination of Assassination. It confirmed and extended my understanding of what I had deduced. --Theo (Talk) 19:37, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I, for one, take issue with the FARC's reliance on narcotic sales for financing operations (and since they are the military wing of the Colombian Communist Party, I largely direct that criticism to them). A revolutionary struggle needs to draw from the people, and narcotics, in that sense, are a form of international lumpenism. Some charge that the military-wing of the Communist Party of Peru, which are known in the West as the Shining Path, also engages in such practices, but I have seen no evidence to indicate this being the case. El_C 03:27, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I assume you have seen this [48]. I always thought it was an odd name! Yet I have left nothing but polite messages on their user pages concerning their chosen subjects. How very odd some people are. Giano | talk 18:37, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ok, there are the following new images from me:
Shouldn't these be JPEGs since they are photos? Gdr 17:04, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
A scan is a type of photo. PNG is a lossless form of compression, so it's suitable for images where you want each pixel to be exactly what you specify, for example icons, diagrams, and graphs. The main advantage of JPEG is the much smaller file size you can get for the same image. I converted Image:Flea-Hooke.gif (1.2 MB) to JPEG as Image:Flea-Hooke.jpg (300 KB) as an example. Gdr 17:39, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
Not me, man. I'm not vain. Anyhow, I really went to GIF because of the Kyd title page, where there are words. I'll bet that a jpg and gif version of that are dramatically different, with the jpg's text being much harder to read. Geogre 18:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and Bishonen, the Earl of Southampton is going to have to wait until after work. I have a fast connection at work, but an ancient machine with no USB ports, so I can't use a flash drive to take an image from home to upload here, and, at home, uploading one of these big suckers takes a while. Geogre 18:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I gotcher Bishonen right here:
Geogre 21:02, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Also, the other two that I'm fixing to upload are .png's. Whaddya know, Photoshop had that as an alternative all along! Geogre 21:02, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Follow this link: The Spectator. If you page down far enough, you find the glory of Wikipedia's stub system. Geogre 15:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I am both surprised and dissapointed to see yet again this user is blackening our names (including yours). I think the time has now come for this number to be, if not permanently, banned, then at least for a long time. I have made a reply here [49]; but this user generally as you know) deletes anything detrimental to their own image as soon as possible.
Regards. Giano | talk 16:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've propsed a possible solution to the FARC issue. Please comment if you get a chance. Thanks. --Spangineer (háblame) 18:04, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Slime mould is fascinating stuff, you know. You should be flattered to be compared to it (although that was not really what was meant). -- ALoan (Talk) 12:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ok, so I have also uploaded Book-auctioneer.png, which is a satirical print from 1700 showing how books got around without people having much edumucation (see Augustan literature#Prose for the picture). I'm fixing to upload Donne-shroud.png, which is the engraving of John Donne in his winding sheet, which he posed for in life. I suppose I'll put that in the Donne article. N.b. these are much cooler than slime. Geogre 21:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sheesh. Some people's children have no manners at all. Don't sweat it, Bishonen. It was bound to happen that you'd run across one of the peevish. Simple statistics means you were overdue for an irrational rant from someone. BTW, I also rediscovered a nice folio book of Hogarth's engravings. (Also please for you to note that no one comes along to my user page to tell me what great things I'm doing for literature articles... except you, of course, so I think the balance point is way over toward the good, and you needn't worry about the petulant.) I'll be getting around to Hogarth after a while. I've still got assorted images before I get there. When I do get there, I plan to submit "The Distress'd Poet" as my image for the Face Book. Geogre 00:15, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, you really had me fooled...I always thought you were a guy based on your username, now I just discovered you are a gal (after rereading your revamp userpage)! I'm no sexist, but this really comes as a major surprise.
Whatever. You must be one of the finest workers on English literature in the whole of Wikipedia. You have praises enough, but I can't help but encourage you on. I think the state of literary articles in Wikipedia need much more work then it has now. Mandel 23:29, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
I have followed up on the FARC talk page. Filiocht | Blarneyman 07:32, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for proof-reading A'man for me, Bishonen! And thanks for your insightful comments/questions. I have responded to them here. El_C 07:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh, just to note that I changed back the meaning of the 'Intelligence Branch' in the lead, because while it is the 'intelligence branch' (note lower case) of the IDF, I wanted to emphasize on it beings the abbv. name. The next sentence then explains that this is Israel's MI, which I think is sufficient for the lead, because that's really the key. As an aside, I need to get the source that Zero recommended to clarify a host of issues. El_C 14:19, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I was actually serious about Swedish Medical Center in Seattle, Washington. A Google search for "swedish medical center" [50] lists it as top entry [51]. In Seattle, "Swedish Medical Center" is often referred to as just "Swedish". -- Jwinters | Talk 16:50, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Email!
Bishonen, frankly, you're one of the most important people that participated in my RFA. This is way overdue, but thank you for your support vote, your backup, and your general coolness since I met you. Thank you so much! Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 23:02, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
A contest for all the scatologically obsessed visitors to your talk page: In Image:Hogarth-rehearsal.png, who will be the first to find the toilet paper holder? Here is a hint: the toilet paper is labelled with "Hamlet" and "The Way of ye World." Geogre 02:02, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Contest over! Here is the answer. (File ETPH.png.) Geogre 12:58, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'll leave room for other seekers, above.
Hope you enjoy them & find articles that need them. Geogre 04:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Alas, no. I have done what I could with what I have. Unfortunately, no pictures of anyone acting except Garrick, and that's already on the site. I know full well that portraits of that type exist, but I just don't have them. I think they do exist, myself. Given the fact that they'd make engravings for library subscriptions, gallows tickets (in my Wild article), etc., it would be absurd to think that they didn't make their own version of the Farrah Fawcet poster. I'm sure they're all sitting in the National Gallery, too. Once upon a time, I would have thought there weren't any, since scholars and critics writing on theater history haven't put them in books, but, lately, I've begun to believe more strongly in the passion of laziness in all scholars and critics working after 1945. (So, did you find the ETPH?) Geogre 11:52, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Okay, but make it accurate please. user:Oliver Chettle is defunct (he's a character from a novel by the way). user:Gillian Tipson will not be posting again either at this IP. All three accounts should say "has posted" not "is posting".
This saga has been by far the most unpleasant experience I have ever had on the internet. I know I can snap at people sometimes, but I am prepared to reason and to apologise in cases where there appears to be a hope of compromise. I hope that you can see that some part of the blame for this horrible feud lies with Giano, even if only 0.1%. He has caused me great emotional distress, and all I have asked is that he leave me alone. If he has been upset too, ideally I would be sorry, but I am not noble hearted enough for that. I find it astonishing that his ire seems uncooled after five and a half months, and that it made no difference that "Oliver" made contributions which he praised (Chatsworth House) and helped him out when he asked for assistance.
Wikipedia's value is as a reference work. As a "community" it is horrible. Perhaps you know many people who feel differently, but the long standing contributors must mostly be either more thick skinned or more laid back than the average person. I feel sure that large numbers of good contributors must be driven away every month, and I think there should be some means for users to protect themselves without going through long procedures which require them to relive all their bad experiences, and end in feeble and ineffectual punishments. (user:Irate was posting abuse again within 24 hours of his "three month ban", and also sent me obscene emails, though I haven't seen him lately.) Not to mention that powerful users with their established friends are at an unfair advantage in any such proceedings. All I wanted was to be left alone to contribute. I don't have a problem with users who attack me once and move on, but this has been intolerable. The present system doesn't work, and giving people the power to block certain users from posting on their user page would be much more effective at keeping the peace. I believe that very few discussions which would improve Wikipedia would be prevented, and on the other hand more good contributors would be retained. 82.35.37.118 03:40, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Where do we sign up? I'm a bit choked up writing this. My passion for it is unending. Yours very truly, answers.com fan 08:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Describe in one word or less how much you love answers.com. I'll start:
Wow! answers.com is quite new to me,, it's brilliant! It's so hard to limit myself here.. may I submit two entries without fuss, or is it necessary to use sockpuppets?
Answers.com sucks!!!11 TheFreeDictionary.com rules!!!!!! TheFreeDictionary.com fan 09:35, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sorry. And though I know you are a quite independent being (yet being enlightened enough not to take offense at the implicit suggestion that I would assume you're not) I still feel primarily responsible for instigating this whole mess. I would have much rather been the target of scorn myself. I will not discuss such things on talk pages in the future, at least not without also just doing it. Trusting on others to fix mistakes is good, but only as long as you don't point out those you could fix yourself, controversial or not. I'm not going to be so "forthcoming" with the peanut gallery in the future. JRM · Talk 21:41, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)
So, what do you think now? It has references, gobs of them. Geogre 16:19, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I totally messed up making the nomination. Those procedures are either too arcane or too poorly explained, or I'm too dumb. Geogre 20:55, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Absolutely! Thanks a ton. The reference will be in the epic poetry section (the inline ref). I'll add it in, if you can do the reference, since your formatting of that section is superior, to say the least, to mine. The Satire ref isn't exactly what I was thinking of (the one I'm thinking of is his preface to his own translation of The Satires of ____ some Roman whose name I forget, and that's why it's called "The Preface to the Satires," but that's for another day), but the one on the epic is perfect for Dryden's talk on the heroic verse. Thanks again. Geogre 16:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Dear Bishonen, I've yet to track down a source for those storm pics, so I uploaded some noaa ones instead. You can view a gallery of them here: User talk:EI C. I'll be working on integrating them within articles in the following days. Yours, 70.28.160.144 23:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You can call me anything you want! I seem to be having difficulties staying loged in for some reason. I might need to reinstall my firewall. -- ElC
Thanks to you, I was on Questia today and found a full BOOK on the theory of the epic 1660-1800. Woohoo! (Yes, I know: I'm the only person on earth to find that interesting, but that just proves the Great Chain of Being is true.) Anyway, I'm going to have better references for the Auggie lit article. This person (Swedenberg is his name, of all things) quotes from his sources liberally and has good notes, etc., and he's from 1944, so he's untainted by theoretical neuroses and is still in that generation that had to fight Macaulay tooth and nail. (He begins his book by trying to promise that 18th c. poetry isn't all evil.) Geogre 01:14, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I looked at the Wesley article to see if I could help. Indeed, that lead was 2 lines. The whole article is dry reiteration of A Child's Book of Protestants or something. Then I thought perhaps I ought to tell the nominator the ways the article could be improved via his talk page. Well. That was something. First warning was the friendly comments from folks who worry me on VfD. Then, though, I saw a reference to talk:Stephen Spender, so I went there. Gasp. Unbelievable. Here is another one to avoid. Geogre 04:07, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No, but I think you missed my point, as I wasn't really pointing at an article, but a person. I've read the Ashmole article, but I'm a little too consumed right now to comment on PR. I will. Geogre 12:41, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hey Bishonen, got your message. Look, I'm sorry if I came off brusque in my comment, I didn't mean to suggest the POV or bad writing on the PC page was due to you or anyone else in particular. I sometimes forget that these faceless pages are actually cared for by real people, so I apologize. As for your comments about the page, I agree that the article is in dire need of a rewrite, and that it probably will always be a problem due to passersby adding/changing whatever strikes them as fun or interesting. I would be more than happy to help out in any way I can. I'll comment on the talk page and try to come back to the article every so often... Let me know if I can be of any other help. RiseAbove 00:42, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
However, if you look at English literature#Augustan literature and compare the diffs before and after my last edit, you'll at least see what I want to do with the Auggie Lit article. The Rest Lit article was easier to break down into prose, poetry, drama than the Auggie would be. In this, authors of one are always authors of the other. Pope, Swift, Fielding, and Gay wrote prose, poetry, and drama. Richardson and Smollett are the only one-trick guys in the lot. Geogre 03:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Have a great day :) -- sannse (talk) 08:18, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No cake from me, but I think I know how to get a party started Project2501a 08:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
And nobody told me! Happy Birthday. :) -- towo 21:58, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)
LordMooCow 4 July 2005, 9:40 (GMT+10)
Thank you kindly, Sannse, Project2501a and El C, for providing such a fine entertainment! All visitors to this page, please have some cake and vodka, enjoy the music, don't forget the ice! Pull up a chair! Bishonen | talk 15:46, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Afraid not. Try sending again without FARC in the subject or text. Filiocht | Blarneyman 12:19, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
Your user talk page now has more images on it than Commons, I think, and looks like a Christmas tree, with all the ornaments hanging off. That's why I come bearing no images at all. In fact. . . .
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That space left blank intentionally.
Ok, more space left blank to relieve eye strain.
Now, Augustan literature#The_novel is not done, but I'd appreciate any thoughts you have on the weird thesis I'm developing there. (I think what I'm saying is true, but unprofound. At the same time, I don't think it has been said.) Geogre 15:21, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I must keep this brief. I am too busy and self-important to talk to my old friends now.—Theo (Talk) 19:44, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
you just deleted an article due to "Vandalism, abuse"; care to explain?
Since you keep trying to get me to gain weight. I figure that
know that the footprints you saw probably
them, because I feel like I have finished
though I can't be sure. Who knows when
thing will occur to me, or some picture that I know I forgot (like a picture of Richardson). However, I'm close to not caring.
There.
That was it. I just broke the care. Now I don't care. I maligned dozens of "great female novelists before Jane Austen?" Cool. I only hope I maligned 'em all. I missed the important them of colonialism of the body space in projections of ideology of representation in Richardson? Groovy. That helps my high. I doan care no mo' about no 18th century novel. Geogre 02:25, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'll have the third peach down, then. Geogre 02:09, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) (a Georgia Peach)
Belated Birthday Greetings. "Chi trova un amico trova un tesoro" Giano | talk 10:32, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hey, if you need a break from all this serious stuff, why don't you try the "Guess England's Worthies" game over here. I just asked Geogre too. I thought you might get a kick out of it. If I just ask you and G it's not spam, is it? PRiis 04:21, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Seth is already an admin, he just felt it was necessary to run again after the really contentious User:Eequor RFA. :) – ugen64 14:42, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Appreciate your help -- even though its not directed at me, it is still an annoyance. WBardwin 20:24, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
What was going on there? I couldn't figure out why he was "partly" blocked, and I couldn't find the block in the block list. Jayjg (talk) 20:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support of my RFA, not to mention the warm welcome on (the dreaded caballistic) IRC! Unfortunately there was a death in my family right around the time of my RFA, so I haven't been able to spend as much time and energy as I would like on Wikipedia stuff. Things seem to be getting back to normal now, so hopefully I'll be able to contribute more actively. Just wanted to say "thanks" officially! :-) FreplySpang (talk) 01:22, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, see what you think of Augustan literature#Drama. It's done, and I, at least, won't add a word to it, except to correct typos. I think I do a fair job of covering the subliterary plays to explain why we have so few playwrights of the era. Oh, and I finished the Augustan literature#Prose#Satire (unclassified) as well, although I did a pisspoor job of that. This leaves on poetry between myself and being done (for). Geogre 04:55, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No worries, it took me a while to get that nowiki figured out so thought I may as well share it... SeanMack 13:20, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi - and thanks for the e-mail re PC3 from (shock) almost 10 days ago... that will teach me not to check my e-mail frequently! Glad to help. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:30, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Weird beyond weird is a diff on my user page. Someone called user:bleakimage, who has no contributions but this, came along and corrected a typo on my user page. :-) You can't call that vandalism. How very strange a thing it is. Needless to say, I won't roll back the edit. Geogre 17:02, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Please have a second look at the article. I've removed the examples of POV you noted, but as I wrote the article, I won't be able to easily spot my own two cents in amongst fact. Please remove and edit what you see as unnecessary. Thanks. Harro5 22:52, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not going to start on IRC just yet (I'm on school holidays here, but need to be doing homework, and am spending too much time on the net as is :) ), but may start up soon. Anyway, I'm wondering what problems you still see in the article, and how close you are to supporting it for FAC. I'd really like to see this article featured, even if not on the main page, and am going to address some of your problems re: coeducation and the buildings in the next few minutes. Thanks. Harro5 July 4, 2005 22:47 (UTC)
You brought up Ned Ward, giving me a nasty shock, as I hadn't mentioned the man in the Satire section. Oopsie. London Spy unmentioned? Not good. While we're at it, what about Poor Tom Durfey and Tom Brown? Gulp. Well, I couldn't find online any references at all to Pills for Melancholy that weren't "AMAZING ALL NATURAL VIAGGRA PILLS FOR MELANCHOLY" (plus all other search terms), so I couldn't date it. I did get some Ned Ward info and a smidge of Tom Brown. Far too little, even in an overview. I tsk at myself. Thanks for the dating you've done so far. Tomorrow, I'll try to remember to go to Questia to search for poor Tom and Ned and Tom. Geogre 03:28, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
People keeping wanting more footnotes at BP, how do I make them work? - mine won't. Can't see what they want them for anyway! Giano | talk 28 June 2005 13:03 (UTC)
Thanks for your support for my adminship. Cheers, -Willmcw June 28, 2005 18:26 (UTC)
Maybe it's the migraine talking, or the migraine medicine, which has left me stoned, but I have just come up with a doozy of a thesis for Augustan literature#Poetry. See what you think. It's something like a book thesis. Geogre 28 June 2005 20:11 (UTC)
Have just sent you an email, I am going off air now to do some real work for a few hours. Thanks for the comments and help about IRC, but I will not be going again, you wouldn't beleive the things those teens were talking about! I just googled IRC and downloaded what came up, they said I could have 30 days for free and then pay £30, are you sure its IRC you are on, and its not called something else here. Anyway I'm done with it. Giano | talk 29 June 2005 13:11 (UTC)
PENIS Giano, you can hide PENIS any comments you like PENIS by just putting a PENIS in front of it PENIS. Bishonen won't notice it PENIS as long as it's PENIS four words or less. PENIS (/PENIS) Geogre 29 June 2005 14:27 (UTC)
Obviously, Bishonen DOES see the PENISES, and she must know what they are if she's shocked by them. Perhaps we can find out the root of the problem with a little free association. Oh, and Giano is being totally confused by Bishonen's instructions, so that's what I would call low level vandalism. Presumably, she doesn't want Giano to find IRC and therefore find out what she's been saying about him there. Granted, most of it was pretty pitiable and would make us all treat Giano better...considering all the handicaps she's described...but Giano can find the IRC room without trying to "find something called freenode." All he has to do is go to Wikipedia and type "WP:IRC" in the search field. Then he clicks on the FIRST of the channels mentioned, not the second, third, or fifth. Geogre 29 June 2005 23:33 (UTC)
Bishonen: I apologize for my rude remarks and multiple reversions on Joseph Smith as a Prophet (and have publically stated so on the talk page). Jgardner made what I thought was a good attempt at rebuilding the page with all arguments, but Gabrielsimon continues to delete major sections. His edit comments include things like "that's laughable", etc. Can the page be restored to something helpful and locked, or can Gabrielsimon be prevented from editing it?
The poetry section of Auggie is, believe it or not, just ready to start its concluding 2 paragraphs. The facts I had didn't want to conform to the thesis, and I couldn't leave them out, so I had to list them before I could get there. I'm pretty sure that Auggie won't be an FAC. Unlike the Rest lit., I won't nominate it. 100k is not an "overview" anymore. Geogre 30 June 2005 18:43 (UTC)
Ripe? Any longer, and the moment would be rotten. Geogre 2 July 2005 15:20 (UTC)
What's the English word that sounds like belie means when something gives a false impression, lastly does have a building have quoins or quoining, you will know the first (I hope) probably not the second 0- I hate this when I know what i wnt to say and can't find it written anywhere - sod! Giano | talk 1 July 2005 15:05 (UTC)
IT is done! (Except for a couple of pictures.) I think I'll let my mind go to sleep for a while now. Geogre 1 July 2005 15:07 (UTC)
Bish, I took the full text of the Augustan poetry section and slapped it into the Augustan poetry space. You can feel free to operate on the section in Auggie, but you don't need to do any grafting over. I.e. I did the paste, but none of the drainage. Geogre 2 July 2005 12:39 (UTC)
Reading my mind is like reading a pamphlet at the airport. Of course I FAC'd it! (I probably shouldn't have promised, but I didn't promise that no one else would nominate the others for FAC. I mean, I think the full Prose and Poetry articles are pretty fine, and the drama isn't bad.) (Let me be proud of myself for a little while. I don't get the opportunity much.) Geogre 4 July 2005 01:44 (UTC)
So you were just the person with the secataires, that's good because it means you can go and vote for it - odd the things some people iron isn't it! Giano | talk 5 July 2005 12:27 (UTC)
That's right. It WAS hewn, with the adze of industrialism, the chisel of party politics, and the sledge of...of...science! (New 2nd par in auggie.) Geogre 5 July 2005 15:36 (UTC)
I checked in on IRC, and you weren't there, even dormant. I hope all is well. Geogre 7 July 2005 02:30 (UTC)
Me? Well, I apparently do have allergies. New doctor yesterday, who didn't hesitate to renew my meds. Trying to stop one of them. Aware of isolation, which is a side effect of not worrying about other things. Geogre 7 July 2005 12:07 (UTC)
want to check out the Wikipedia:Swedish Wikipedians' notice board where you can put focus on Swedish topics that need expansion, etc.
--Fred-Chess July 7, 2005 11:31 (UTC)
Thanks a million dollars! :-D -- Jerry Crimson Mann 8 July 2005 10:39 (UTC)
See the talk:Huchoun. I sure was being obscure with those abbreviations. Geogre 8 July 2005 14:09 (UTC)
I hit them in textual criticism, in 18th c. stuff looking for things to edit, and in Biblical contexts. I thought they were commonplace. Also, I think I hit them just in reading 18th c. literature. In A Tale of a Tub, Swift has "hic multa dissideratur MSS" several places (where he has the Hack saying that he'll give all the reasons for this or that outlandish statement). It doesn't hurt to expand them, but all the medieval lit. articles are littered with the abbreviation. Geogre 8 July 2005 16:18 (UTC)
Thank you for looking after Mr Helvarg whenever my back was turned today. I knew that you would be seduced eventually by the appealling image of the little tyke splashing around in the swamps. Bless him. —Theo (Talk) 8 July 2005 23:50 (UTC)
Hi Bish, I see that you have moved many of the province articles. Well done! :).--Wiglaf 8 July 2005 23:53 (UTC)
Not one of my prouder moments on wikipedia, I'm afraid... john k 9 July 2005 01:08 (UTC)
Can you believe it? My writing style "sounds like 1911" now, and so that's a reason to object! WTF. Five in a row specifically note the pretty writing as a virtue, and one thinks it's a thing to object to. Geogre 9 July 2005 11:54 (UTC)
User:Njyoder is getting into a rather large "discussion war" on Talk:Cold fusion (edit | [[Talk:Talk:Cold fusion|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). One of his more recent comments was: Then feel free to cite some instead of making a blind accusation. I've noticed you have a tendency to try to undermine my credibility and contribute nothing of value to the discussion. I won't be suprised if you can't cite any, because you know they'd easily get shot down.
I noticed that there was an arbitration request that went against him, and wanted to know what should be done (I'm involved, so I probably shouldn't take any action). At the very least you might want to keep an eye on the page, as it is getting out of control fast. --brian0918™ 00:38, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Can you do the Interregnum? I'd be useless at it. BTW, I read the 1911 on Swift. It's not as bad as the usual 1911, but it still has pontification about his erroneous politics and blatant misanthropy. He failed to have the true love of a patriot, it said, for he hated vice without loving truth. How about Sensibility? I can't do that, either. I could do Romantics, but it's already done well enough, and, while I know great amounts about it, I don't know the history in its minutia the way I do my own period. Without Reform Bill and Napoleon, which are both just nouns to me, any article on the Romantics is silly stuff. Geogre 16:46, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
this talk page Talk:Skåne, I suspect you don't have it on your watchlist, I would prefer to have a discussion there. i am sceptical about the move of pages from english names to swedish, and question why you didn't ask anywhere instead of just following a request by a power-tripping peter isotalo? All the best, --Fred-Chess 10:13, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
A squirrel was just walking along, and I threw some bread at it (from the 2nd floor). It didn't even stop to think about it, not a moment of hesitation, attempting to come to terms with bread falling from the sky (and note, significantly, than I have no memory of that particular squirrel), started munching. It still is munching, right now, as we speak. Above is a pic of another squirrel munching. El_C 10:32, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Augustan drama is developing and improving slightly. It reads better, for the first two sections at least. Geogre 15:44, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Impossible! I go to look for "spectacle 18th century," and I come across a number of sites. Everyone mentions it. No one actually discusses it. Staging sites are potentially useful, but they're all "under construction" for the last few years. Then I go to look for "Addison Cato" to document what we all know about it, and things are fishy as a sailor's net: all the sites are either a) American libertarians or b) Objectivists or c) both. What they say is useful, but heck if I'm going to cite one of those hare brains. I'll have to do the research on Questia or not at all. The web is useless on out of the way subjects like this. Geogre 14:44, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up on the Peer Review/Review for Comment, and double thanks for moving it for me. I'd only had a few brief moments on wiki since you posted and hadn't had time to make the move myself.Shsilver 14:54, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
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You were very helpful last time I was blocked from contributing due to the ongoing AOL IP multiple user problem. Looks like, from Jwrosenzweig's talk page, that this vandal is or may be permanently blocked. During the previous incident (please see my talk page), you and other admins decided that the IP number should not be blocked for any length of time. Could you intervene and see if a permanent solution to this issue could be found? Thanks for you help. WBardwin 07:41, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
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Thanks for your note -- I appreciate your interest and followup. Hope we can come up with some solution to the ongoing problem. But the vandals are always with us! WBardwin 00:35, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
This time it put the bread in its mouth, climbed up a tree onto a really tall branch, and munched it there! What do I win? El_C 23:55, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
How delighful to see you on my page, David! (Doing good deeds as usual, yet!) Bishonen | talk 16:35, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Per your request, I've created an article on George Powell. I hope you like it. Unfocused 04:58, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! On a related note, how about putting your other classic-era English theatre articles out in Wikispace? I referenced one of your user subpages for the George Powell article since it had related information in it, but didn't really feel comfortable doing so. The two I've seen look really good so far. Unfocused 20:16, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Magisterial, eh? I love any opportunity for channeling my inner gasbag. I can't contribute much more than a "what they said", though. JRM · Talk 11:35, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Here are notes on this detail:
Geogre 19:22, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
Full illustration at Image:Hogarth-Southwark-Fair-1734.png. Geogre 19:39, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
OH NOES!!! I SO WORIED I GONNAN STOP NOW>!1
Message below pasted from discreet placement on User:Bishonen/Welcomes to where it belongs, i. e. this page.
Hey, Bishonen, there's this site called Wikipedia. I'm on it, like, all the time. You should check it out. It's kind of addictive, though, so don't edit articles, or you'll get hooked. It has this amazing ability to seem perfectible, even though it isn't, so you get suckered into continually thinking that you can make a difference, get rid of the bad, and supply the good. When you find out that the bad is like an ocean tide and that the good is like a towel under the door, you'll probably storm off. However, you end up coming back, thinking that you'll "just" do this or that, and that it'll be ok. Pretty soon, you find yourself trying to swap towels and run the drier. It's this cycle, until you realize that it's not perfectible, and you decide to just try to keep the old set of family photos dry or try to throw a life preserver to people you see out there who don't have boats. Anyway, so that's my welcome. Geogre 12:47, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, babe. keep in mind that the person posting the copyrighted stuff, is probably someone in advertisement or marketing, which means they are impervious to instructions such as "how to submit an article" or "please do not submit copyrighted material". That kind of people do not bother to check wikipedia more than once a day, maybe every two or four days. So, blocking them for an hour won't do much good, but thanks, anyway :) Project2501a 20:38, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
I tried to comment on the talk page of the article, but it didn't work. Hideous ideology? Charles Killigrew? I thought it was Thomas, but I don't know. Geogre 17:46, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Delighted to see even after a huge surge of recent editing by all and sundry, the palace's luxurious fitments still remain. Giano | talk 21:17, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
Regarding your sarcastic edit summary: Yes I did see it, but I feel my prose to be superior, capturing the essence and spirit of that golden age of literature which has alway so inspired me, why I remember as a small child at school high in the Sicilian mountains, we children used to sing that glorious opera, with the bleating of the goats joining us during the chorus - Oh I can hear it now as as we rode our goats convincingly disguised as camels, through the olive groves, infront of the makeshift pyramids as poor old Don Watsit was tortured by the inquisition - Oh happy days
Ok, I put a couple of questions on the talk page. Also, though, I was going to point out, and this is gassy in that charming way that my comments can be gassy, that the image I sent you from "Southwark Fair" shows the Revolt of the Theatres, right? Well, the rich man who bought out Covent Garden is supported by the scene painter. N.b. today a scene painter would never rate highly enough to be depicted as one of the principal and vital personages in a theater revolt. The fact that she was then shows what you're talking about in the article. If you want me to scan and crop down to just the show cloth from the Hogarth print, I can. Geogre 17:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
Ok, here you go:
Other than this one, though, I don't have any more from the play. Geogre 21:00, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. :) I'm on it. Inter\Echo 12:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Good idea, taking an IRC break. IRC is a disease, not a protocol, and it is the enemy of writing articles. It's also an invitation to every block battle and pogrom Wikipedia has. This is one of the reasons I go for very short visits. The other reason, the reason why I go at all, is just boredom and despair. Geogre 18:59, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the pictures for Elias. Scans of (sufficiently) old books and prints definitely fall under Bridgeman, or at least that's been my assumption. Anyway, to tell you the truth, I was starting to get a little bit nervous about the old "firestorm of indifference" over the FAC, but then again the whole thing always wigs me out more than it should. PRiis 22:28, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
It does seem like FAC is all about pictures now. I'll try to take it all with a giant block of salt. PRiis 00:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Hey, by the way, when you were at the U Penn site looking at that book, did you get a chance to satisfy your curiosity about alchemical poems? PRiis 00:11, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi, there would be needed a copyediting on the page to get away with the 1911 Encyclopaedia markup. Would you find it interesting? --Fred-Chess 07:40, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I see you have discovered the ne plus ultra of Baroque-era musicology, the little known, and long-kept-secret Sicilian goat-riding school of opera composition, singing, and skulduggery. Very entertaining reading indeed :-)! Antandrus (talk) 15:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
This is so that the little yellow box appears and you note that I'm fixing to put some pictures up in the talk space of the article that you're working on -- pictures that should be removed very quickly. I would merely like for you to express an opinion on which of the four pictures I should use. They're all rather difficult to look at, but people have been suggesting that they're necessary for a long time now. Since I'm the only Wikipedian to have access to them, I've finally given in. Geogre 19:26, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
The revert war I was referring to occurred between the anon and user:Func from 9:12 to 9:33 on 23 July. Rossami (talk) 23:29, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Good afternoon, Bishonen. Thank you for your articulate reply. Unfortunately, we are still talking at cross-purposes, neither I think hearing what the other is trying to say. You ask some interesting questions that we could continue to discuss theoretically but I don't believe that it would change anything at this point. Since this continuing discussion is raising my stress level to no productive end, I have taken the step of purging the discussion off my Talk page. I apologize if what I said or did appeared insensitive. That was not my intent.
Let me also add that I sincerely appreciate your attempt to communicate your point of view politely and without personal attacks. That was not universally true. Rossami (talk) 20:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Cecilia nose when she's not wanted - so she's left! Oh noes. Smelly is back. :-( Bishonen | talk 17:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Please do not refer to Cecila as smelly, she is in fact a very rare Sicilian reindeer-goat, a breed which I am planning to make into a featured article over next Christmas. You are obviously (and I understand this, cos' I am understanding kind person) very bitter, twisted and envious that my beautiful page has sailed through FA, and is now in the valhalla for pages, where I shall too no doubt be. Please continue with you wonderfull eforts on behalf of the projects, they are all, in there small way, sometimes quite good; but remember do not be afraid to ask, even famous editors like me (when we have time) are happy to help those less fortunate and gifted. God bless my child Giano | talk 18:04, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
My Dear Child,
While you are thinking up witicisms in a foreign language, I am creating another "piece de resistance" The Siege of Rhodes please note the rather nice shade of blue. Civil greetings from Giano | talk 19:45, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
YOu had better go and explain why Albion and Albanius was a fiasco. Have you checked Cecilia's water bowl? Giano | talk 08:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
This place is not the same without Fil. I am trying to fill my empty life by revisiting the first full article that I wrote here and taking it up to FA quality. As with Helvarg, it was a subject of which I knew nothing before I started. As with Helvarg, I am confident about the research but less so about the structure. When you have finished grooming Giano's goat, could you cast your savageacute eye over Ted Radcliffe? He has been on Peer Reveiew for a few days but the comments have now dried without me feeling that he is quite up to the mark. —Theo (Talk) 14:43, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
See? Acute! Just like I said. &mdashTheo (Talk) 00:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC) (Trans: thank you)
I just left this same word over at Geogre's talk page. The more admins, the merrier. I've been going round and round with two rather contentious users as of late who are either one and the same or working in cahoots. They are rude, their edit summaries are even ruder and I for one feel they need some talking to. They are User:Mirror Vax and User:Sherurcij. That last one in particular has been hanging stub notices off of vandal bot entries and leaving the rudest edit summaries you've ever read. The first guy just has a bad attitude in general. Never heard of him before he flamed my talk page. Can you help? - Lucky 6.9 21:56, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Did you see the invisible paragraph I put into the article re Dennis? I know you're not using it, and that's ok, but you did see it, didn't you? Geogre 22:39, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
I had, but, well, no, I wasn't looking for a project. Instead, I kind of thought that I was bringing stuff up. Nevermind. Anyway, I thought I'd hinted rather broadly. A telescoping of John Dennis could do the trick, you know? ("One reason we lack information is that stage machines were trade secrets. As such, the houses were zealously guarding their techniques, and John Dennis's comment on "steal(ing) my thunder" shows us that machines would remain closely held information in the theater for long after the era of the Machine House." That's what I mean by telescoping -- a way of dropping in the definite information we have (prob. in the John Dennis article) in a place where we wish we had information and allowing the known to imply the unknown. It's totally honest, but a rhetorical trick. (And I either explain too much, like this, or be cryptic, I suppose.)) Geogre 23:43, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
(I won't write a stub. Seriously, it gives me the hives to think of writing only what I can off my head for some of those. They'd have to be researched.) I still think that it's possible to telescope and not destroy the historical integrity of your article, partly because Dennis's comment is so strong, so clear, and so striking. His comment is extremely effective for a reader who doesn't appreciate the topic in communicating the stakes, and there isn't anything else we can lay our hands on easily that communicates so strongly. Anyway, this is not an argument, just an explanation. Never mind.
Perhaps one day I will acheive a State of Innocence Giano | talk 07:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Ingredients:
The cake will pull away from the pan edges when done, or you can push down with your finger in the center of the cake and see it spring back to test for doneness. Let the cake cool on a wire rack, and frost it when done. My frosting was a caramel frosting that is a bit more like a glaze than a true frosting, but it's absolutely fantastic. Geogre 13:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
That's exactly right! :-) As for the rest, umm, use lightly salted butter, and butter counts (not margarine). With the milk, you're better off with whole milk than skimmed milk, but 2% milkfat is ok. Just don't drop the milkfat content lower than that, or it doesn't give the happiness molecules anything to bond onto. (It's going to trun lightly brown. The big thing is to remember that dark pans reduce baking time, and shiny pans increase it. Also, I really recommend using a fingerful or two of butter to rub all over the inside of the pan. You can also use confectioner's sugar (powdered sugar) instead of flour, esp. if you're not planning to frost the cake. If you don't frost it, apply some confectioner's sugar to the pan atop the butter you put down, and then top the cake with hand-made whipped cream with sugar and then dash lots of grated fuit or cinamon on top.) Geogre 16:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC) the master baker.
I must say you have one of the most amusing talk pages on Wikipedia! Alas, I've been busy at work this week (and wisely have no IRC installed on my computer here ... in fact I've been avoiding IRC in general as rather a large unproductive time-suck) but I'd be happy to visit you there sometime relatively soon. Article is looking good! I can add a bit about music at some point ... certainly about Grabu et al. And that picture is making me hungry! Antandrus (talk) 22:53, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
"Irrelevant to this page" might be a good policy to cite for removing them. I mean, honestly, what are they even doing there? What have they got to do with "coordinating and discussing administrative tasks on Wikipedia" ? I'm always removing posts at peer review that don't live up to the prominently posted instructions for using the page, why wouldn't we do the same here?
Theatre Royal, Drury Lane Giano | talk 16:57, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
No doubt you have seen this site [54]
Ok, I've just muddied up your article good. I know this seems obvious, but what is the title of the article? I do think it's about FAC, and, as I said on my own, the music stuff can even be a distraction, depending on what the topic is and how narrowly you want to define it. Geogre 18:37, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Ok. I still think that a tiny bit saying that it doesn't end is a good thing. If you disagree, cut it. Like I said in the paragraph, it mutated, changed, clipped, etc., but the seeds were sown and cultivated in this era. I thought that was fair and not distracting. Yes, though, I do think it's FA. (If I'm inconsistent, note the Geogre of the Day. I'm barely vertical.) Geogre 19:42, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
More about why I did it, and why I was hesitant before, on the article's talk page. You will blank the talk page before putting it into real space, won't you? Geogre 03:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. FuelWagon 23:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Why are you reverting old warnings to User talk:67.18.109.218? He's obviously read them. They've served their purpose. Why can't he now have control over his own user page so long as he does not post anything which violates Wikipedia policy?--Heathcliff 01:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
I greatly appreciate your tactfulness in pointing out that my edit was intrusive. I apologize. Of course I wear the newbie "cloak of no blame", but while that's an explanation it's perhaps not an excuse. Point taken. Thank you. As to the word at issue, I can well imagine that your sources constructed a use context that let the word work well for them. Your sense of the word is now formed by that. Problem is, I do not have the benefit of that exposure, nor will most of the article's readers. I was only drawn to make the point because you write very well and I felt that word as a distinct "bump" in an otherwise well paved road. As to the title, I like your suggestion fine. But do you have to worry about getting search terms into the title? I don't understand the searchability issues. Again, thank you for your kind forbearance. Johanus 18:30, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
Permit me a final point in defense of my suggested phrase. "Innovatively" is in no way redundant with respect to "first time" later in the sentence. The word characterizes an enterprise as having been done "creatively" with no implication of its place in a possible temporal sequence. Thus this stuff might have been innovatively employed not just initially, but intermittantly, reliably, chronically, tediously, constantly, etc. Best regards, Johanus 19:59, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
I have no objections. Go ahead. Joyous (talk) 04:47, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Well, I do not think that you need to talk to me if you do not like Foamy. However, squirrels will be here much longer than us because they don't destroy the world like we do. Humans are going to bring the beauty of the Earth down and I do not believe you care. So I will no longer talk about Foamy or his Wrath around you, Bitchonen, just mind your business.
Someone wants to know what categories it should be in, would you like me to place it for you in some, Italian architects is always seeking new members, and there's all that talk of animals Cecilia and her friends would welcome it in "Goats", just say the word and I'll respond! Giano | talk 14:07, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for this. I was summoning up the energy to debate the issue again. Cheers, [[smoddy]] 17:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
From Sam Spade's user page. Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. [55]--Bishonen | talk 20:49, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Your off on happy holidays, I'm editing from departures, on my way back for another week's grind with my pick-axe in the heat and the dust, a maniac is plastering templates everywhere, and you have a page on FA, but don't you worry! we can all cope, what's extra work to me, never mind my stress levels - you just enjoy yourself, don't worry about the goat (I'm taking her back, you've neglected her!!!). Hope it snows! Don't be surprised if I'm not here when you finaly return - I have a life too - Oh yes I do! Giano | talk 21:05, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
I daresay you're not doing it on purpose. But you do it quite often. I realise I am opening myself up to some "aggressive bullshit" (my apologies for mischaracterising your unpleasantness in that instance) by saying it but I do think you're a much better contributor outside the Wikipedia: namespace than you are in it. Grace Note 06:36, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Just FYI -- and because of your courtesy in the past. Below is a copy of my note to Inter regarding yet another block on my AOL/IP number (due to vandalism by other users assigned that number). Although the note below indicated the admin's had researched and placed the number on "the list," Inter is not aware of it. Appreciate any followup possible. Thank you. WBardwin 19:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Geogre 17:29, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
See, what I did was get those pictures, employ them in Augustan drama, and increase the section there on "Spectacle" to explicitly link to your now-promoted Featured Article, Restoration spectacular, and redesign that a bit. If, upon the days to come, I were to break my vow, my weakest knowledge would be the article I'd see nominated for FAC first, Augustan drama. In a way, it's because the subject has much to teach me and the field is so barren that I've worked on that one particular article most of the old subpages. Geogre 17:50, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
A lot of people have been complaining, so I figured it was time for all the rouge administrators to be identified. Therefore, take this and share it appropriately (or inappropriately). Geogre 17:12, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
My only concern is that folks from Italy may be less amused by the choice of graphic than I would hope. After all, the actual Red Brigades did some rather nasty stuff. The natural pun was "Admin Rouge" and to adapt the logo/banner from the Khmer Rouge, but that would have been unquestionably offensive. Anyway, having Photoshopped an ensign, I thought of having the Association of Rouge Administrators on Meta, since everyone has to have an association on meta (it's in the project bylaws) that they belong to whose aims are contrary to the rest of the project's. I even thought that, for fun, the text of said page could be ROT-13. Then I figured, "What the hell. I'm just one guy, and the joke'll be long dead in a few days. Besides, there is a penalty for continually performing CPR on horses." Geogre 14:33, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi, You were new once! I mean, I saw you! :) /dances El_C 08:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
YASE! I'm not sure I'm entirely following you, but am very glad to see you! :) Treading lightly in waters deep (& still dancin'), yours always, El_C 08:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Rationized or otherwise (I'll say this a third time) tis really nice to see you, in any capacity! Not too bad, thanks. I'm passed the critical 1/3 of recovery time. T'has been rough, though, esp. the first week and a half. El_C 09:25, 9 August 2005 (UTC)