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Thank you. --SineBot (talk) 13:07, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I added an advert tag on Energetically modified cement because while the article tends to focus on the benefits, researchers, and capabilities of "energetically modified cement," and repeatedly mentions a process of "EMC Activation" that can be applied to pozzolanic materials, there is no explanation offered in the article of what the "EMC activation process" entails. There is no detailed description of the technology or the principles on which it is based, and so- for those without any familiarity with the topic, the "EMC activation process" is a meaningless buzzword. For such a well-referenced article, one would expect to see real scientific explanation for the core principle of how EMC activation works. Otherwise, we have no more reason to believe in the process than we do to believe in an astrological, mystical, or ritualistic explanation for materials strength.
As one of your references states, "The Energetically Modified Cement (EMC) technology consists of processing a blend of ordinary Portland Cement (OPC) and a pozzolan through multiple high intensity grinding mills to impart increased surface activation of the OPC and pozzolan particles."
So, if the technology in question is really just grinding a blend of cement and pozzolan, perhaps we should simply call it "grinding cement with pozzolan" rather than "EMC Activation."
I could call the mixing of Portland Cement with water and aggregates "Artificial Stone Creation (ASC) formation", or some other such buzzword, but most would simply call it, simply, "mixing cement".
For an outsider to the topic the article reads more like a marketing pamphlet and less like an encyclopedic article for this reason.
I quote the guideline you cited:
"For example, they may tell users to buy the company's product, provide price lists, give links to online sellers, or use unencyclopedic or meaningless buzzwords." In the context of the article as it is written, "EMC Activation" is a meaningless buzzword.
While I do not specifically doubt the presence of this "EMC activation" phenomenon (any moreso than any other untested claim), the fact is that the article itself uses "EMC activation" as a buzzword with no background information besides vague descriptors like "mechanical process" and "surface activation."
Perhaps instances of the "EMC activation process" in the article should be re-worded in a more specific, scientific form, such that a newcomer to the topic could read about how it works.
If the process is a secret proprietary technology, then this should be stated in the article. In this case it should also be stated who the owner of the technology is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.65.16.49 (talk) 08:38, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
A quick comment here: "snake oil" concepts may well gain patents, if the concept being patented is technical and not well understood by the patent regulator.
50.65.16.49 (talk) 06:25, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
213.66.81.80 (talk) 07:40, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
All right, to start off this reply, I am not "in league" with this Maproom fellow. I have merely posted my own opinion on the article, in and as an article..
Now, I posted my reasonings for adding an advert tag, which I believe were justified. Simply stated, the article does not explain EMC Activation. This is not a point of opinion. The article does not explain the process. Therefore, for Wikipedians unfamiliar to the topic (e.g. Maproom) the article reads like an advertisement, because an unfamiliar, new topic is presented, and from the information presented in the article, the concept of EMC stands on shaky ground (that ground: an unexplained process referred to as EMC Activation.)
Comments were added to my reasonings for the advert tag. Other users added further comments in response, which ended up in off-topic discussion and accusations of fraud.
These comments did not, however, undermine the initial reasoning for adding the advert tag.
This issue continues to be sidestepped. EMC Activation is not explained in the article! That is the issue.
Removing the off-topic comments on my explanation is acceptable. However, deletion of my comment overall from the article talk page constitutes censorship of opinion, which is inappropriate given that it only suggests reasonable courses of action, and no fraudulent claims whatsoever. Simply an explanation for why the article deserves an advert tag. Which, in its current state, it does.
Thank you. 50.65.16.49 (talk) 09:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
In response to the above by 50.65.16.49:
First of all, thank you for your time for taking time to respond. It is not "censorship" because we can ventilate sensibly here - and you yourself posted your comment here anyhow. What is important is that openly defamatory comments are not repeated. This aspect could be escalated already by me but I have chosen to give "benefit of the doubt" that Maproom was simply "over zealous" and made a mistake. So I have "self-policed it" in a manner which is sensitive to a range of competing issues, but at all times on the basis that unfortunately, your comments were polluted by a defamatory comment which was then repeated.
I suggest that we focus on YOUR concerns about the article - yes?
The article is NOT an article about the EMC Process. It is about Energetically Modified Cement. As I wrote to Maproom yesterday:
Because a deeper explanation is bootstrapped by Wikipedia's OWN policy, you believe that the article requires an advert tag, despite the admonishment given in the guidance for the placing of such tags.
I can assure I can write an explanation, but given there is already a section about the EMC Activation process, given the ample time I have spent responding to your original post (which you posted here anyhow), given the article is NOT about EMC Activation, and given the "bootstrap" issue, I am repeating my invitation for your guidance.
Please do not react "defensively" - but please balance consideration in the above para carefully and let me know how you think I should proceed --- because I assure you I can write an explanation but I am very worried it will constitute original research. The reason is quite simple: the effects of EMC Activation are scientifically measured and accepted - not only in the academic environment (and by third party academia) but also in the application-environment (e.g. various US DOTs) where the results are very rigorously tested to ensure (for example) the highway you are driving on does not collapse.
Having in mind more concrete made from EMCs have been poured in Texas (i.e, under the TX DOT regime) than the entire Hoover Dam, then given all of the above, either we find a way for me to write a deeper explanation (if you really persist) or the advert tag comes off. Because an explanation is already there. If you do a google search on (for example) "mechanical activation of minerals" you will see it is a known scientific phenomenon. The explanation for such a phenomenon is of course an entirely different matter and that is where the "bootstrap issue" becomes very strong. But you may have a different pov on whether the "bootstrap issue" really is a potential issue - but that is why I am asking for your input.
213.66.81.80 (talk) 09:46, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I am satisfied with your recent changes to the EMC article, provided that the facts stated are referenced.
Regards 50.65.16.49 (talk) 08:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I want you to have in mind that this article already has a B rating (WP:BCLASS), which in Chemistry Portal is not easy. And it is my ambition to drive that even higher. For this reason I may "trouble" you from time to time with details of how it is moving along so that you can drop me a note if you wish
On the basis of what you have written, I will now remove your advert tag.
Thank you again.
Kind Regards
I have placed the above on the page's talk page, and written to you separately.
Hi, thanks for the message on my talk.
Yes its sad for the encylopedia that Jon hasn't came back, although one can't blame him as genuine scholars seem to be less and less welcome. Is he well now in real life? I'll say a prayer that he's fully recovered.
If you want to progress the article beyond a B rating, the next stage is Good Article (GA). I've been the main writer for a couple ( Lord Keynes and Currency war ) plus reviewed about 12, so I could possibly help. However, since Uni Ive been more drawn to economic and social problems rather than science, so I'd only be up for doing about 5% of the work.
My main contribution might be to re -write the lede to make it more compliant with things like WP:MOS. Would you be cool about me doing this? If not, I could still offer some general advice about the GA process. It would probably be over the Christmas week, as next week is already packed with TTD. Let me know what you'd prefer. FeydHuxtable (talk) 18:33, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:40, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your text. It is not about "dumb schmuck" and I do not think you are and anyway I would NEVER insult anyone's lack of prior knowledge. Why would I? But, at the same time, I also know that I am not an expert on the majority of the specialist subjects that have made it onto Wikipedia and therefore personally I would always defer. In fact, half the problem here is that I have written the page to "appeal" so that complexities can (hopefully) be understood. But not to exclude the reader, but to hopefully give a greater understanding of what is a very complex subject. I don't mean just EMCs but the entire universe that the subject "opens". I do not get it right all the time. But I have written highly complex sections on concrete pozzolanic chemistry, to try to explain something that even a lot of cement chemists do not understand.
The plain fact is, I have tried to "contextualize" a lot of the complex writing by explaining its relevance. Maybe we have a different tradition of encyclopedia in Sweden. But I would like to think an encyclopedia is there to "educate" and not just "state". This is where I think what has been my willingness to "explain" has instead been misconstrued as "promotional". We just come from different traditions as to what an encyclopedia is. The Swedish version of Wikipedia is nowhere near as "sensitive" to this. Because in Sweden it is important to explain things properly so that there is an education. Because thge "pedagogical" impact is always seen as so important. That is how us Swedes write. 213.66.81.80 (talk) 02:01, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I have submitted a request to SPI in order to determine the nature of your connection to User:Jono2013. Snow (talk) 06:19, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
By the consensus of the Wikipedia community, you have been topic-banned from editing regarding the subject of cement, broadly construed. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:16, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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