![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 15 | Archive 16 | Archive 17 | Archive 18 |
The URL has changed to the http://www.profootballhof.com/players/kevin-greene format from the http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=1985 format. CrashUnderride 14:43, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
So it seems like Green's 1985 id was never correct looking at this archived HOF webpage from Feb 2016[1]. And looking at articles from this year's inductees, it seems like some just made up id's, since it appears everyone this year is use the url with their name in it. Thus, I think we can have a new parameter for the new format, and previous inductees can leave their urls intact with the old parameter.—Bagumba (talk) 02:37, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Would it be possible to also add a link to the person's CBSSports profile? Such as in Template:Infobox gridiron football person. Dat GuyTalkContribs 08:17, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
((edit template-protected))
template. Once you've established a consensus for this at WP:NFL or any appropriate forum, please make sure that you have tested it in a sandbox, and then give the exact code you want added and where to add it. TrueCRaysball | #RaysUp 09:48, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
In the data17
parameter: | data17 = ((#if:(({draftyear|))}|[[(({draftyear))} NFL draft|(({draftyear))}]] / Round: (({draftround))}((#if:(({draftpick|))}| / Pick: (({draftpick))))))}
, please change "NFL draft" to "NFL Draft" so that it bypasses the redirect after "Draft" was capitalized for all articles (e.g. 2016 NFL Draft instead of 2016 NFL draft). Also, please change label17
to read "NFL Draft" instead of "NFL draft".
—MRD2014 (talk) (contribs) 01:15, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
I am working on cleaning up some of the deprecations and I noticed that this template has a TON of tracking categories. Can someone who is more familiar with this template help me understand why? For example, why do we need to track Category:NFL player with currentposition parameter? Is that parameter deprecated? If so that category should be renamed... Not necessarily objecting to the categories, just trying to understand. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
(({currentteam))}
deprecated? Plenty of other params in the template use one word params without underscore, (({pastteams))}
, (({pastcoaching))}
, etc. etc. I don't see any reason to deprecate the param. Just support both. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:04, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
(({Currentposition))}
deprecated in favor of? What should be replacing it? There should be some more details put in the description of the category which should also be added to Category:Deprecated parameters. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:06, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
(({currentposition))}
is deprecated in favor of (({position))}
. Can you confirm? --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:09, 23 November 2016 (UTC)So I am in the process of cleaning up deprecated parameters from templates. This template has a number of them. During a discussion about these parameters (see above) it came to light that some parameters in the template are all one word (for example (({foobar))}
) while others have an underscore (such as (({foo_bar))}
. The question on the table is regarding making all the template parameters consistent. I will gladly be responsible for changing the transclusions (it will be done with a bot), updating the template and the template documentation, etc. I just want to make sure that a consensus is reached! For simplicity sake, the question on the table for support or oppose is:
(({expansiondraftyear))}
) be formatted to use underscores (i.e. (({expansion_draft_year))}
.Obviously all comments comments are welcome! Not just support/oppose. Looking forward to hearing all input! Also if there are additional parameters that are deprecated and should be removed, let's be sure to get that well documented so I can hit them all when I run my bot. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:18, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
Can we get some clarification on what params are deprecated. This is the list I have. Where applicable the new param is listed. If not listed the param should be removed entirely.
(({debutteam))}
(({debutyear))}
(({finalteam))}
(({finalyear))}
(({coachdebutteam))}
(({coachdebutyear))}
(({coachfinalteam))}
(({coachfinalyear))}
(({heightft|))}
→ (({height_ft))}
(({heightin|))}
→ (({height_in))}
(({weight|))}
→ (({weight_lbs))}
(({weight_lb|))}
→ (({weight_lbs))}
(({dbf))}
(({pastcoaching))}
(({pastexecutive))}
(({pastadmin))}
(({currentteam))}
→ (({current_team))}
(({currentnumber))}
→ (({number))}
(({currentposition))}
→ (({position))}
(({currentpositionplain))}
→ (({position))}
There are a ton of tracking categories that don't give any explanation as to why they are tracking things. Would appreciate some help here. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 00:28, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
(({dbf))}
should be removed; it is no longer supported. The three "past" parameters are just tracked because sometimes it's worth looking at only articles of coaches, admins, or executives. They aren't actually deprecated. ~ Rob13Talk 00:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Ok so I'm BOLDly calling BS on the need for the past tracking categories... And here's why... They're doing the opposite of what they're described to do and no one has fixed them so clearly they're not being used!!!
<!-- -->((#if:(({pastcoaching|))}||[[Category:NFL player with pastcoaching parameter]] ))<!-- -->((#if:(({pastexecutive|))}||[[Category:NFL player with pastexecutive parameter]] ))<!-- -->((#if:(({pastadmin|))}||[[Category:NFL player with pastadmin parameter]] ))<!--
These mean that pages WITHOUT (({pastcoaching))}
will be put in Category:NFL player with pastcoaching parameter.... Same for the other two. SO clearly no one is really using these tracking categories. --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:41, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Replace "No." in header1 with No. Grapesoda22 22:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC) Grapesoda22 22:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Replace No. in header1 with No. Lizard (talk) 22:56, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Something's breaking with this template to include a visible "</noinclude>" after the "Weight" field. What's wrong here? Seattle (talk) 09:10, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
The Canadian Football HOF parameters all go to "Page not found". Looks like the website restructured their links. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 16:23, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm curious as to why there is not a draftteam parameter. Seems to me it would be appropriate, but maybe I'm missing something? Thanks Jb45424 (talk) 05:41, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
I think the location should be changed in the table. Currently, when filled out, it appeared alongside ArenaFan.com, not NFL.com. It should show up alongside NFL.com because they don't list AFL stats. (talk page stalker) CrashUnderride 19:30, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Could someone add statlabel7, statvalue7, statlabel8, and statvalue8 to the parameters? Of course, these would be used very sparingly since six fields are usually more than sufficient. But some older players were proficient in several stat categories and so extra fields are warranted. Sammy Baugh is the best example of this. Lizard (talk) 16:29, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
The template generates a link to a player stats page on Pro-Football-Reference.com (PFR) if a value is specified for the pfr
parameter. Though this link currently uses HTTP, it appears that the PFR site supports HTTPS. However, there appears to be an issue wherein the PFR site generates a number of redirects, including an HTTPS -> HTTP redirect, if the pfr
parameter value does not begin with the first letter of the player's last name followed by a slash. For example, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/AvenJo20.htm generates a 301 Moved Permanently redirect to http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AvenJo20.htm?redir which then generates another 301 redirect to the actual page at https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AvenJo20.htm?redir. On the other hand, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AvenJo20.htm generates a successful HTTP 200 result. (As a side note, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players//A/AvenJo20.htm also generates an HTTP 200 result.)
In this sandbox revision, there is an implementation of the template incorporating a string replace function wherein the pfr
parameter value is adjusted, if necessary, so that the URL always contains the first letter of the player's last name followed by a slash and then the rest of the player's name. With this implementation, the pfr
parameter values of AvenJo20
and A/AvenJo20
(for example) both cause the template to generate the link https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AvenJo20.htm. Would it be useful to copy this sandbox implementation into the actual template? --Elegie (talk) 13:40, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello there. The IDs stored on Wikidata have all been shortened to the numerical part of the former IDs. This template should probably be updated accordingly. Thierry Caro (talk) 10:47, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
http://www.nfl.com/player/n/$1/profile
for instance. $1
being the numerical ID. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:59, 1 November 2017 (UTC)http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=2557863
, http://www.nfl.com/player/n/2557863/profile
, and http://www.nfl.com/player/zayjones/2557863/profile
all basically give the same result? unless, of course, nfl.com changes the redirection, it seems like we can just use |nfl=
instead of |nflnew=
and do the translation internally? Frietjes (talk) 17:07, 1 November 2017 (UTC)|nflnew=
instances? WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:14, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
((#invoke:string|replace|(({nflnew))}|^[^0-9]*||plain=false))
(e.g., ((#invoke:string|replace|zayjones/2557863|^[^0-9]*||plain=false))
= 2557863). since the links aren't broken, I don't see any urgency to do anything. but we could change the |nfl=
url to use http://www.nfl.com/player/n/2557863/profile
instead of http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=2557863
if the redirect is not wanted (and we could update the documentation to encourage using the |nfl=
instead of the |nflnew=
). but, again, nothing appears to be fundamentally broken here. Frietjes (talk) 17:34, 1 November 2017 (UTC)![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Change
| data19 = ((#if:(({cfldraftyear|))}|[[(({cfldraftyear))} CFL draft|(({cfldraftyear))}]] / Round: (({cfldraftround))}((#if:(({cfldraftpick|))}| / Pick: (({cfldraftpick))))))}
to
| data19 = ((#if:(({cfldraftyear|))}|[[(({cfldraftyear))} CFL Draft|(({cfldraftyear))}]] / Round: (({cfldraftround))}((#if:(({cfldraftpick|))}| / Pick: (({cfldraftpick))))))}
to avoid auto-linking to CFL Draft pages that don't exist due to capitalization GreenRunner0 01:54, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Kyle Shanahan 50.1.86.74 (talk) 18:51, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Every "College Football Hall of Fame" links run bug, because it gave new address https://footballfoundation.org/hof_search.aspx?id=(({CollegeHOF))}
this link address is http://www.footballfoundation.org/Programs/CollegeFootballHallofFame/SearchDetail.aspx?id=(({CollegeHOF))}
. I think it have to change. Sczipo (talk) 14:17, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please fix the link for the College HOF (| CollegeHOF =
) parameter since it is broken. The link in the parameter should be changed to https://footballfoundation.org/hof.aspx?hof=(({CollegeHOF))}
. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:14, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Move the Player stats at NFL.com to the bottom section of the infobox where other citations are. – XYZt (talk | contribs) – 02:56, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The Expansion draft year value (|expansiondraftyear=
) needs to be edited such that (|expansiondraftyear=1995
) generates the value "1995 NFL expansion draft". It currently would generate the value "1995 NFL Expansion draft" (note the difference in capitalization on "expansion") which results in a red link. GreenRunner0
For the headings in the boxes such as career information, personal information, and career history shouldn’t the whole title be capitalized instead of just the first word? Bmorrow151 (talk) 19:07, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
@Frietjes: for some reason this infobox is making article titles appear in italics. See for example O. J. Simpson. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:01, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Can the stats parameters (mostly pfr and nflnew) be merged in the infobox, copying the style from the footballstats template? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:00, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Shouldn't the "as player", "as coach" and "as executive" subheaders be either "as a player" or simply "player"? The way it currently is just seems awkward. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
The date of death doesn't show on Mario Henderson. It contained an empty entry on the bottom. Ignore this post. KittenKlub (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
This infobox is unusually large, both in horizontal width and text sizing. In the sandbox, I tried removing the "bodystyle" parameter that creates this styling, and judging by the testcases, in most cases there is surprisingly little effect on the vertical height of the infobox. Should this change (or parts of it) be implemented? — Goszei (talk) 04:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
I was reviewing the page of Chad Clifton a former NFL player, released by the Packers seven years ago. Under "Personal information", his weight is listed as 320 pounds. My first thought was "That must no longer be correct; he's surely (or hopefully) lost weight since he played."
In the spec for this template, both "Height" and "Weight" are from the player's NFL.com profile, so the values are correct as per the spec. However, I would suggest that for former players this is misleading; there's no indication that this is historical rather than current information. The section caption of "Personal information", in conjunction with showing such absolute information as birth and death dates, suggests that this is info that is independent of his career, and generally true, rather than "true as of a specific date." Height isn't likely to change all that much, but weight (especially for players who were paid to be massive) certainly can.
Is there a way that, for former players, weight (and probably height) could be clarified as from when they were last playing? -- Dan Griscom (talk) 11:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello all. I could have sworn at one point either this page or WP:NFLINFOBOXNOT clearly stated single game awards were not worthy of highlights. These would include Thanksgiving MVP awards, SNF's weekly Horse Trailer Award, or Nickelodeon's NVP Award. Should these be excluded from the highlights section like Pro Bowl MVP, or is it left up to discretion of other editors? -- StarScream1007 ►Talk 00:06, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.—Bagumba (talk) 02:39, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
How do I add medal templates to an infobox? (e.g. Jon Kolb and Craig Wolfley) Megacheez (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
I was wondering if we could add the USFL as a part of the statistics section and draft. Thank you :) Kellis7 13:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I think there should be this function, there are several players who were not drafted by teams from the NFL, but were signed as UDFA by AFL teams, for example Willie Brown, CB from Grambling State signed with the Oilers or Emmitt Thomas, CB from Bishop signed with the Chiefs, both Hall of Famers, I think they technically do not belong to the NFL Draft but to the AFL. Sergio Skol (talk) 12:46, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
|status=
should be suppressed when |current_team=
is empty. Currently it only is when set to "free agent".|statlabel=
.~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request to Template:Infobox NFL biography has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please add a space to all of the "statvalue#" fields after the colon for readability. E.g., change "Games played:[tab]37" (as in Jeff Jordan (defensive back)) to "Games played:[tab] 37".
I'm figuring it must be for accessibility reasons but any reason why the Dolphins templates/navboxes/etc use black on aqua instead of white on aqua. White looks cleaner (and for me at least, is easier to read on the aqua) and unlike black, is one of their team colors. Any links to previous discussions on this would be helpful. Thanks Soulbust (talk) 01:43, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
Fellow editors, I started a similar topic on the Cole Beasley talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cole_Beasley#Use_of_pastteamsnote_for_Tampa_Bay_&_Buffalo_Bills) but thought it would be best to post the query here as well. Per the 2022 NFL season rules, every team can "elevate" an individual practice squad member 3 total games in order for them to play without signing them to an active roster contract (i.e. giving them a 53-man roster spot). Regarding the use of pastteamsnote ("Offseason and/or practice squad member only"), if the player is only "elevated" (they were not signed to the active roster and still practice squad members) and played in 3 games or less should the pastteamsnote be used or are users in general not using it whenever a NFL player has played in any regular season or playoff game for that team? Rather than do a game of who's right or wrong with other users, I think overall it's better to have a consensus and for there to be consistency on how that note is used for every NFL player page in Wikipedia. Appreciate the feedback and insight. Diddykong1130 (talk) 06:56, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
I think it would be look better to have the name of the player be within the infobox like it is with Template:Infobox baseball biography. Batgirl-Awsomeness (talk) 00:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I think just as there's a |statweek= label for the NFL to have the stats updated to the week, there should be a |cflstatweek= parameter to track CFL stats to the week. Currently there's only a |cflstatseason= parameter, which without a |cflstatweek= parameter could make CFL bio stats outdated during the season unless there's someone constantly updating them after every game. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:13, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Is there a reason that the "module" parameter can't be implemented into this template, similar to how it is in ((infobox person))? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
For players, it's obvious to know what position they play currently (or previously) by the position attribute. But, for coaches (e.g., Dan Campbell), there's no easy way to know what position they played when they were a player (in the infobox). Would it not be a good idea to have a past-position (or something) parameter within the "Career Information" to clarify that for coaches who have the current position of "Head coach" (or some other position) in the template? --Engineerchange (talk) 15:05, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
|career_position=
, where coaches can have their playing position listed.—Bagumba (talk) 20:32, 8 September 2023 (UTC)![]() | This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Description of suggested change: Currently, if this template is embedded, it adds a heading "Football career". Usually, we prefer to call the sport "American football" to disambiguate from association football; this is particularly non-ideal on articles of players who have played both types of football, such as Brandon Aubrey.
Diff:
− | | title = ((#ifeq:((lc:(({embed|))))}|yes|<hr/>''' | + | | title = ((#ifeq:((lc:(({embed|))))}|yes|<hr/>'''American football career'''|((If empty|(({name|))}|<includeonly>((PAGENAMEBASE))</includeonly>)))) |
IagoQnsi (talk) 02:58, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
I see on pages for NFL players that have achievements in the CFL or other leagues, the distinction is held under a seperate header (look at the page for Warren Moon for example). However, their college achievements go on to be lumped in with their NFL ones. For players that didn't play in a league other than the NFL, there is no distinction and all the achievements are just listed together (though I understand there is an order to follow when listing them all). I am making the suggestion that for all player profiles, NFL and College achievements are listed separately with that brief header. Not only do I think it would be more visually pleasing/appropriate (I think the distinction would be important so one can compare their college career vs pro career), I think it would be especially helpful to casual fans looking up a player, as not everyone reading may understand the concepts of an All-Pro, a conference All-Team or Bowl MVP. Terminader (talk) 20:18, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Wondering if we can add an optional parameter "nickname". There are lots in the NFL like "Broadway Joe" and "Pinball" Clemens. See List of NFL nicknames. Facts707 (talk) 07:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
![]() | This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Description of suggested change: "When specifying an image, do not wikilink the information." has been quoted to say that captions can't be wikilinked (one example). However, that is not what it means. It means not to put brackets around the file name in the image field like below: (WP:CAPTION doesn't say anything about not placing links)
| image = [[File:Joe Burrow 2021.jpg]]
Diff:
− | + | Do not place brackets around the file name. |
~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
What about adding the information of a former NFL player becoming a head coach? For example, former linebacker Jerod Mayo played with the New England Patriots from 2008-2015. In 2024, he was selected as the new head coach for the New England Patriots, replacing Bill Belichick. Abhiramakella (talk) 17:51, 27 February 2024 (UTC)