The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

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TAI Aksungur[edit]

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Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 10:21, 22 May 2019 (UTC).

  • Not sure if I'll be able to give this a full review, but for now I'll leave a comment about the hook. I don't think it right now appeals to a broad audience since it seems to rely too much on technical words such as SATCOM. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks. The reason why I used the term "SATCOM" was to draw reader's attention. Anyway, does your mind change if I replace "SATCOM" with "communications satellite" in the hook? CeeGee 05:00, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm afraid not. To a reader who is not interested in aviation or military stuff, the hook has a big "so what?" factor. The typical reader probably won't appreciate how or why a UAV can carry that amount of load, it requires knowledge about UAVs and their context as a whole. A new direction is probably needed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:54, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Hmm! You must have known what the broad reader is thinking. Maybe someone can suggest a hook in the direction of your thinking. Besides, must I call you repearedly to get an answer from you? CeeGee 03:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I read the DYK discussions I've participated in on an almost hourly basis, so I generally don't need to be pinged unless it's important. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:02, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
  • You may not categorize DYK noms into important or not important. If you start a review you better progress in due time please. The noninator, in this case me, cannot know that you have alread read the response to your input. CeeGee 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
In any case, a new hook is still probably needed here. The original hook remains too technical. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:31, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Did a little work on the article and tried to come up with some ALTs. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Requesting new reviewer. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

  • @Drmies: Thank you very much for your detailed review. Below ı am giving the partial source text in Turkish and its Google translation for you hoping this will address your concerns. On the other hand, I added the related reference to the end of the article's first paragraph under "Overview". Sorry that I missed this in the beginning. The "maritime patrol" information is already sourced in the article.
"Yüksek Faydalı Yük Kapasiteli İHA Kesintisiz Çok Rollü İstihbarat, Gözetleme, Keşif ve Taarruz Görevleri için ANKA-AKSUNGUR İHA Sistemi; gündüz/gece İstihbarat, Gözetleme, Keşif ve Taarruz Görevleri’ni EO/IR, SAR ve SIGINT faydalı yükleri ve çeşitli havadan yere silahlarla icra eden Orta İrtifa Uzun Havada Kalışlı bir İnsansız Hava Aracı Sistemidir." [3]
"ANKA-AKSUNGUR UAV System for Uninterrupted Multi-Roll Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance and Attack Tasks with High Useful Load Capacity UAV; day / night is a Medium Altitude Long-Air Unmanned Aerial Vehicle System that performs Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance and Attack Missions with EO / IR, SAR and SIGINT utility loads and various air to ground weapons."
"DENİZ KARAKOL FAYDALI YÜKLERİ" [4]
"MARITME PATROL PAYLOADS"

CeeGee 08:37, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

  • @Drmies: It's going pretty good, thanks for the review! I can confirm what CeeGee has quoted above, at least through Google translate. I will note that it is a primary source (the manufacturer). I think that's the biggest issue with the article is that it's a relatively new subject and some information is from primary sources or secondary sources which are basically reporting what the manufacturer claimed in press releases or at trade shows. I tried to copy edit for tone to make these things clear. (Like, at the beginning of the lead, I had in development by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) for the requirements of the Turkish Armed Forces because, at the time, they hadn't actually received a contract from the Turkish Armed Forces; they were anticipating the domestic military needs and trying to build a product which would meet those needs.)
Another source ("FlightglobalDebut") notes its potential as a "maritime surveillance platform". And military factory notes "maritime patrol" and "signals intelligence" proposals. I agree that "attack aircraft" may be going a bit far, as I personally see this UAV being used as a platform for smart weapons rather than close air support. But this is all a bit speculative. I'll take a look around for any new sources since the last time I worked on this, and try to write something for the lead mentioning the high payload and the potential for... yadda yadda yadda. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:39, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Reidgreg: What about this? "Turkish Aerospace tweeted on 21 March that it had carried out the first test flight of the twin-engined Anka-Aksungur reconnaissance, surveillance, and attack unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), formerly known as Anka 2, the day before." at ASYMMETRIC DIALOGUE Defense Industry News CeeGee 09:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
    • @CeeGee: I'm not sure that Blogspot.com is a reliable source (it's listed at WP:KO/RS#UR and there's some mention elsewhere). But while it may not be a reliable secondary source, it might be sufficient for verifying what the primary source said. I don't think I would bother to add it as a citation since it might be challenged and removed. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Would it be alright to strike ALT3? I feel it's the least-interesting hook and I'm finding it a little awkward to work that into the article with an inline citation. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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