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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:21, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Joe McGinnity, Joe Kelley, Cy Seymour, Dan McGann, Jack Cronin, 1902 Baltimore Orioles season[edit]

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... that the New York Giants and Cincinnati Reds raided Joe McGinnity (pictured), Joe Kelley, Cy Seymour, Dan McGann, Jack Cronin, and others from the Baltimore Orioles during the 1902 season?

Reviewed: ~~IOU QPQ~~Template:Did you know nominations/George Bazeley, Tim Deavin, Liam de Young, Mark Paterson (field hockey), Andrew Charter
Comment:
ALT1: ... that the New York Giants and Cincinnati Reds raided Joe McGinnity (pictured), Joe Kelley, Cy Seymour, Dan McGann, Jack Cronin, and Roger Bresnahan from the Baltimore Orioles during the 1902 season?
Bresnahan is already in his own hook, ~~and McGraw is too large to expand.~~ So, I'm not sure if they should be mentioned specifically, or if the hook should focus on the articles expanded 5x for this current hook.
Or, I can play up the fact that there are two National Baseball Hall of Famers on this list...
ALT2: ... that the New York Giants and Cincinnati Reds raided Hall of Famers Joe McGinnity (pictured) and Joe Kelley, as well as Cy Seymour, Dan McGann, Jack Cronin, and others, from the Baltimore Orioles during the 1902 season?
But that could also be...
ALT3: ... that the New York Giants and Cincinnati Reds raided Hall of Famers Joe McGinnity (pictured), Joe Kelley, and Roger Bresnahan, as well as Cy Seymour, Dan McGann, and Jack Cronin from the Baltimore Orioles during the 1902 season?

Created/expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self nom at 01:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Overall

Hook is properly formatted.
Reading hooks and they all appeared to be supported by the articles and inline citations in the article. Some sourced to paywall/offline sources. AFG in this case.
QPQ not satisfied yet. --LauraHale (talk) 05:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Joe McGinnity

"Article has not been created or expanded 5x within the past 10 days (1807 days)" Start size: "2578 B (435 words)" "End size: 12 kB (1998 words) "readable prose size"" Five fold expansion would be 2,175 words. I'm willing to give an okay on this one.
Images have acceptable copyright.
Not fully supported by inline citation. Fact tags placed to show where.
I've read it over and I have not seen any thing I see as a major POV problem.
Plagiarism spot check: This I suspect will give some pause. I'm not sure how to reword the two major examples. No such concerns with this source.

Joe Kelley

Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 31 edits ago on March 23, 2012. Newness and timeliness checks out.
Images have acceptable copyright.
Article is fully supported by inline citations.
I've read it over and I have not seen any thing I see as a major POV problem.
Assume good faith that subscription and offline sources support text and are free of plagiarism.
No real problems with this spotcheck.

Cy Seymour

Newness and timeliness checks out.
Images have acceptable copyright.
Article is fully supported by inline citations.
I've read it over and I have not seen any thing I see as a major POV problem.
Assume good faith that subscription and offline sources support text and are free of plagiarism.
I suspect this may give one or two people pause but not sure how else some of the can be reworded. no issues with second source check.

Dan McGann

Newness and timeliness checks out.
Images have acceptable copyright.
Article is fully supported by inline citations.
I've read it over and I have not seen any thing I see as a major POV problem.
Assume good faith that subscription and offline sources support text and are free of plagiarism.
This may give some people pause, but not sure how to reword most with out changing the meaning.

Jack Cronin

Newness and timeliness checks out.
No images.
Article is fully supported by inline citations. It has a raw URL that needs fixing.
I've read it over and I have not seen any thing I see as a major POV problem.
Assume good faith that subscription and offline sources support text and are free of plagiarism.
This may give some people pause, but not sure how to reword most with out changing the meaning.

1902 Baltimore Orioles season

Newness and timeliness checks out.
Images have acceptable copyright.
Not fully supported by inline citation. Fact tags placed to show where.
I've read it over and I have not seen any thing I see as a major POV problem.
Assume good faith that subscription and offline sources support text and are free of plagiarism.
This may give some people pause, but not sure how to reword most with out changing the meaning. Ditto. --LauraHale (talk) 05:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

QPQ needs completing and fact tags need cleaning. --LauraHale (talk) 05:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I can report that I've dealt with the fact tags, added more to some of the articles, and rewritten some of the places where wording could give pause. All that's left is the QPQ. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
And now QPQ is done. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

good to go with AGF that nominator will do to the QPQ. --LauraHale (talk)

Before anyone promotes this, might it be better to merge it with the related articles at Template:Did you know nominations/Andrew Freedman, John Mahon (baseball)? That one has yet to be reviewed, but maybe they should all be in one. My bad for not nominating them all together, I initially thought it would be clearer this way. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:16, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
... that New York Giants owner Andrew Freedman bought the Baltimore Orioles from John Mahon to raid Joe McGinnity (pictured), Joe Kelley, Cy Seymour, Dan McGann, and Jack Cronin during the 1902 season?

I took a quick look at the comparisons between articles and sources. IMO, Joe McGinnity is still much too similar to this source, and Dan McGann is too similar to this source. The team article also has some minor close paraphrasing. The other player articles look OK. --Orlady (talk) 04:44, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll rewrite any close paraphrasing concerns. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I believe I've sufficiently addressed these concerns. The duplicate detectors show a few quotes and other phrases that can't be rewritten any further. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:09, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

The passages that bothered me seem to be fixed. Thanks! However, there was one short passage in the McGinnity article where I wanted to make some additional changes in wording, but I can't tell for sure what is factually correct. Did he and Christy Mathewson account for 73% of the Giants' wins in 1903 (as the SABR source indicates) or did they combine to win 73% of the games played (as the Wikipedia article states)? My guess is the former; 1903 in baseball indicates that the Giants won 60% of their games that year, making it impossible for two pitchers to have won 73% of the games played. --Orlady (talk) 21:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

All the other review issues appear to have been resolved, so I guess this is good to go! --Orlady (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Great! But first, do you think this should be merged with Template:Did you know nominations/Andrew Freedman, John Mahon (baseball) to make an eight-article hook, or should they go up separately? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:53, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

My personal preference would be to keep the two hooks separate. I'm no fan of stuffing large numbers of articles into a single DYK hook. When this is done, the hooks become overly convoluted and the articles get less attention at DYK than they would otherwise. --Orlady (talk) 04:56, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Fine by me. I wasn't leaning one way or the other, just looking for an expert opinion. Thanks. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2012 (UTC)