- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day (Talkback) 23:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Eleonore Baur
[edit]- ... that Eleonore Baur was the only woman to participate in the Munich Beer Hall Putsch?
Created/expanded by Roisterer (talk). Self nom at 17:31, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm concerned that the phrasing used by this article may be too close to that of its sources, particularly this source. Compare for example "the prisoners of her detachment, her employees, and neighbors describe her as a moody, hysterical, and selfish woman, who unscrupulously used her contacts with the Nazis in power to get what she wanted" with "prisoners, Dachau staff and neighbours, who all described her as a moody, hysterical, and selfish woman, who unscrupulously used her contacts within the Nazi leadership to get what she wanted". Nikkimaria (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
- As the author of the article, I'll say "whoops"; I developed the article over a longish period of time and had in some cases lost track of what was directly from sources. I rewrote the sentence you highlighted. --Roisterer (talk) 00:16, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing. Wording overall is still a touch close to that source, though. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:00, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- As the author of the article, I'll say "whoops"; I developed the article over a longish period of time and had in some cases lost track of what was directly from sources. I rewrote the sentence you highlighted. --Roisterer (talk) 00:16, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
QPQ required. Author/nominator has had at least six DYK nominations published—in 2007 through 2009—so a quid pro quo DYK review is required before this one can be approved. (The requirement kicks in for people who have had five self-nominated DYKs published.) BlueMoonset (talk) 18:32, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
- And they were all self-noms? Where do we find this info? Secretlondon (talk) 22:01, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
- The history of T:TDYK. In other words, you're not going to find it unless you spend too much time on the task. I'd let this one slide and count Roisterer as a new nominator. However, paraphrasing may still need work. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:13, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
- Another way would be looking at the user's usertalkpages and archives. For this user in particular, previous DYK contributions are also indicated on the userpage with the "
" tag. --PFHLai (talk) 09:37, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
- Aah, I've just learnt about the QPQ rule so I'll review a DYK nom presently (I've done the odd GA nom review in my time but this will be a new experience). I haven't self nominated all of the articles I created that have gone on to DYK immortality; I think it's about 1/2 & 1/2. Keep up the good work, people. --Roisterer (talk) 09:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
- Another way would be looking at the user's usertalkpages and archives. For this user in particular, previous DYK contributions are also indicated on the userpage with the "
- Given Roisterer's estimate of half and half, I agree with PFHLai that QPQ is not necessary for approval under the circumstances (but is welcome!), and withdraw that request. However, Nikkimaria's caveat still stands, and was phrased quite mildly under the circumstances: there are still significant sections from the source Nikkimaria noted that require proper paraphrasing. Duplication detector comes up with a number of identical phrases between article and source, one 22 words long—much of the source's final paragraph is repeated far too closely in the article. I'm also not happy with the footnoting in the article's Post-war section: the last two sentences of the first paragraph and the first phrase of the second are both almost verbatim from that source, but other sources are credited in its stead; even if those sources apply to part of the material, you need to credit all the sources used there. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:05, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
- Note: Roisterer has left a note on my talk page saying that internet access has been difficult, but hopes to be able to address these issues "soonish". BlueMoonset (talk) 00:08, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
It's been ten days, and while Roisterer has been quite active on the site there has been no word here or on my page, and the changes to the article do not appear sufficient to solve all the problems mentioned above. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:20, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
