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John Deen asked me for comments on his changes at my talk page. Admittedly my French isn't the best, but I don't see how Le Monde supports the claim that there was some controversy. It explicitly says that after the two initial responses there was no reaction whatsoever, and goes on to discuss why there was no wider reaction. Further, Jon Deen's text makes it sound as if Gershman's interpretation were fact when that doesn't seem to be supported by Le Monde. I also don't see how, even assuming the veracity of Gershman's claims, "discovery of a hidden self-portrait" is correct; the figure supposed to be Rembrandt was obvious enough, not hidden at all, and only the interpretation of the figure being Rembrandt was new. Huon (talk) 11:03, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Huon. That is one of the intriguing parts of Gershman's discovery. Though the figure was obvious no one was able to identify it correctly. Instead the Rembrandt scholars have confused it to be an "old maid" not only being wrong in the identification of a subject but even the attribution of gender! Le Monde points out the "Rembrandt Mafia" that holds on to how they want to define Rembrandt. And as the article points out, Gershman is not afraid to challenge this, and did receive encouragement from David Bomford, then acting director ofThe J. Paul Getty Museum "femme”, “la vieille gardienne”… »
N’y tenant plus, Zhenya Gershman
demande rendez-vous au directeur du
Musée Getty, David Bomford: «David est
un conservateur et un restaurateur mondialement
connu. Il a travaillé sur des
tableauxdeRembrandtàlaNationalGallery
de Londres. J’ai pris mon courage à deux
mains et je lui ai demandé rendez-vous
pour parler de ma recherche. Qui mieux
que lui (qui a littéralement peint sur des
tableaux de Rembrandt) pouvait être intimement
lié à ce sujet ? En préparant cette
réunion,j’aiesquissé un plan dema théorie
dans une analyse visuelle préliminaire.
J’étais effrayée. Je craignais que David ne
tire un livre de son étagère et dise: “Ne
savez-vous pas qu’un tel ou un tel a découvert
ça depuis longtemps ?” Ou qu’au
contraire, puisque aucune autorité majeure
ne le mentionne, il pense que j’étais hors
piste en proposant cela. A ma surprise,
David a été fasciné par mon observation et
ma recherche. Sans refuser ni soutenir pleinement
ma théorie, il m’a encouragée à
écrire un article et à le soumettre à une
revue d’histoire de l’art. Cette rencontre
m’a fait pousser des ailes. »Jon Deen (talk) 12:07, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Huon what changes would you suggest to make this acceptable to you as an editor without dismissing Gershman? Thank you for staying open.Jon Deen (talk) 12:28, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
Is mentioning her discovery "endorsing"? She has observed it and published it in Arion Boston University. Not mentioning it would be ignoring the fact. It's an established respected journal for art history and classics. And it has been highlighted as a feature article in Le Monde. The article simply states her contribution. I will remove the part about controversy to follow your guidance. In any case this should not color your judgment on her contribution as an artist. Thank you for reviewing the article as it has been up-dated based on your insights. Jon Deen (talk) 16:37, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
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