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There are five location articles that still exist for ASOIAF on en.wiki: Westeros, Across the narrow sea, Cities in A Song of Ice and Fire, Strongholds of A Song of Ice and Fire. The_North (A Song of Ice and Fire) is prodded as having no meaningful content and I don't expect it to survive, so only four will remain (Ghis and Free Cities (A Song of Ice and Fire) are already merged).
All four articles are nice examples of fancruft: unsourced, full of original research and with excessive detail. All have been transwikied to the Song of Ice and fire wiki long ago and have seen no improvement for a long time.
I therefore propose to merge all four articles into a single Locations in A Song of Ice and Fire article and remove most of the cruft while I am at it. I will do so in 7 days if no response is received in the mean time. Yoenit (talk) 12:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I have done some work on the merge (you can see it here), but I have run into a problem with the sections "Biology and anthropology" and "Faith". Neither belong in this article (they are not specific to Westeros) and definitely not in a hypothetical Locations in A Song of Ice and Fire article. There is not enough material to warrant separate articles and merging to A Song of Ice and Fire doesn't seem like a good idea either. Does anybody have a brilliant idea what to do with them, as I don't want to get rid of them altogether. Yoenit (talk) 11:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I think you mean "restrain himself" where you have "refrain himself." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.153.86.195 (talk) 23:21, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
What do we think about moving each of the "Specific locations" sections (King's Landing, Casterly Rock, etc) under the appropriate Region heading? I feel like when I'm reading about the North it makes sense to have Winterfell and the Wall there as well.— TAnthonyTalk 18:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Is the any information about the physical world (that is the planet) that these novels are set in? What kind of planetary system could result in such seemingly random seasonal changes with summers and winters lasting different periods. If such information exists it would be good to include it. I'm unsure whether the author has ever provided such information as the inhabitants may have no knowledge themselves.Puttanesca kol (talk) 10:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I actually think it's the other way around, that Martin has said the seasons have nothing to do with the specifics of the physical world and everything to do with magic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.24.185 (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
The Westeros in the intro of Game of Thrones resembles the geography of the British mainland a lot, with The Wall situated roughly at the same location where Hadrian's Wall was located in history and King's Landing roughly at the spot where London is located in real life. Was this intended by the makers or just a coincidence? SpeakFree (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Stark and Lannister are takes on York and Lancaster, the two major warring houses in the War of the Roses]]. British history is a major influence but not the only one obviously so it is not as simple as Westeros=Britain.Gaius Octavius Princeps (talk) 22:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Also bear in mind that Westeros is a continent roughly the size of South America - the extreme north is arctic tundra, whereas the extreme south contains deserts. Saint91 (talk) 21:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
The Ibbenese and Ibbenese whalers are often referred to, but In doesn't appear on any maps. Illyrios tells Tyrion that the first Andals looked like Ibbenese, which might place it in that area of Essos. Anything more specific? --ESP (talk) 11:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
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I was planning on sourcing some information on Harrenhal to the books using the handy Concordance on the citadel. However, there there appears to be a difference between page numbers in the US and the UK versions of the books. (see this for more information), leading to possible ambiguity when sourcing a specific page. What would be the best way to resolve this? Should we restrict ourselves to sourcing only from the US version? Should we allow both and specify which version is being used in the reference? Should we drop references to specific pages and use entire chapters instead (like the ASOIAF wiki does)? Yoenit (talk) 14:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Darkfrog just made this change, which is a partial revert. I disagree with the change for the following reasons:
No, the original sentence, "people do not believe in supernatural beings such as dragons or 'The Others,'" did not explain what the term "the Others" meant. Someone who has not read the books will have no idea whether the term refers to tall, graceful people with colorshifting armor, a tribe of ordinary humans, a group of trolls, or something out-of-universe, like another book or another set of characters. Using the term "the Others" by itself with no explanation is in-universe; it assumes that the reader will know what it means, and that is what we must not do. (Also, if we're being very strict, most of the people in the books do believe in dragons; they just think they're all dead. Tyrion specifically says that he believes in dragons because he's seen their bones.) If you don't believe that "monster" does the trick, then how about some of these:
Okay, forty-eight hours and no objections. She's goin' in! Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Is there a reason why this thing is full of British spelling? It's set in a fantasy world and it was written by an American author. Can anyone make the case for British English? 21:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Does GRRM explicitly talk of the cycle of the seasons being several times longer than earth anywhere? As this seems to be the case in the books but is not really discussed. It'd be good to add in an initial overview if it can be sourced. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:06, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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As it stands you get the impression (from WP's articles and from the TV series) that it is Westeros - and Westeros only - that suffers from erratic seasons. Does this concur with a full reading of the text and/or anything the author has said? 31.53.186.67 (talk) 12:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
So that each location description has nearly the same kind of information down the road, here's a list of what this list should mention for each location, if applicable (this is also as a personal reminder). – sgeureka t•c 07:37, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Now that the map collection is out, would it be allowed to post a scan of the Known Map world to accompany the article? Or would it consist of copyright infringement? --Appledoze (talk) 06:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Jon Snow's wiki underline link doesn't direct to the correct page. Instead it goes to Jon Snow, some TV presenter. not sure how to fix this, figured i'd let you all know — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.92.78.121 (talk) 16:49, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
in this HBO featurete at 1:15 he clearly states the lands beyond the wall are the size of Canada. DJokerNr1 (talk) 03:11, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
a further observation. George RR never specified he meant area (as in sq miles) or just length of the continent, when it came to Westeror's comparison to South America. So the addition of square miles is an editors opinion, not sourced content. DJokerNr1 (talk) 21:19, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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This article should be called "The Known World". Similiar to Lord of the Rings, "Middle-earth". - AffeL (talk) 14:23, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
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Having a hatnote on "Dragonstone" saying "for Dragonstone in Essos, see..." is not necessary. "Dragonstone" in Essos is an ad-hoc nickname given to an undistinguished location for one chapter; it is not noteworthy either in-universe or in the real world. Nobody looking for information on "Dragonstone" is going to be looking for that hill Daenerys camped out on one time. For the same reason, Winterfell doesn't have a hatnote saying "for the snow sculpture in the Eyrie, see...". AJD (talk) 16:52, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Can we add metric systems so non Americans can understand the lengths and distances mentioned in the article? Like the height and length of the Wall. Enjoyer of World (talk) 22:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
I presume that the seven kingdoms were inspired by the seven Anglo-Saxon kingdoms that later became England, and there might be a source for that here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/29/the-main-continent-in-game-of-thrones-is-modeled-on-the-british-isles/%3foutputType=amp But you have to be a subscriber to see it, and I'm not. Can somebody who is check please? And then add it to the article if it pans out. Richard75 (talk) 17:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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