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I removed the following on the basis of WP:NPOV commercial bias. There may still be some facts to be gleaned from it so I have preserved it here. GameKeeper 21:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Wensleydale Dairy Products makes the only real Yorkshire Wensleydale Cheese in the world, at the Wensleydale Creamery.
Managing Director David Hartley said: “The Wensleydale Creamery has been at the heart of the Yorkshire dale’s economy for many years. Over the past 14 years the staff and management at the Creamery have created a thriving business based on the precious commodity of Real Yorkshire Wensleydale Cheese.
“The livelihoods of more than 190 Creamery workers and 36 farms in Wensleydale depend on the Creamery and we believe that Real Yorkshire Wensleydale Cheese contributes more than £8m to the local economy. By putting forward our submission for PDO status we are not just protecting the future prosperity of Wensleydale and elevating our product above those manufacturers outside the region.
“Wensleydale Cheese very much belongs to Yorkshire and we have been very encouraged by the support we have locally, regionally and nationally. Research has proven that consumers want greater emphasis to be placed on regional foods and also want to know that they are buying the genuine article.”
Made to a traditional recipe at the Wensleydale Creamery using real Wensleydale milk, the company’s hand-crafted and cloth-bound cheeses are available as traditional, blue, smoked and mature varieties which are also carefully blended with quality ingredients.
Alice Amsden, Production Director, said: “The wild flowers, herbs and grasses that grow in Wensleydale give the milk and hence the cheese its unique and special Wensleydale flavour. Much of the area is designated as one of environmental sensitivity where the use of artificial fertilisers and chemicals is restricted. All of our cheese is pure, wholesome and full of goodness.”
David Hartley adds: “For the Creamery it will mean that we can plan the future of our business with the security of knowing that producers from outside the region cannot pass off ersatz Wensleydale to consumers.
“It will mean that cheese producers outside the designated area of Wensleydale cannot produce a cheese and call it Real Yorkshire Wensleydale. This will help protect the regional heritage of the cheese which directly impacts on the livelihoods of Wensleydale farmers and families. It will help to ensure that consumers are getting the real product – which is a hand-crafted cheese, made from real Wensleydale milk with a unique taste. We intend to place significant emphasis on further informing our consumers as to the fact that Real Yorkshire Wensleydale is the only genuine article.”
This page is nothing but a commercial puff for an organisation that produces an ersatz cheeese using the name of a well regarded regional product. By using "vegetarian" rennet all connection with the cheeses made down the years in Wensleydale has been abandoned. What is sold under the name "Wensleydale" by this organisation is a flavourles facsimile of a great tradition.--Damorbel (talk) 13:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Keith D, I have replaced my section. Wikipedia is not a publicity medium. What is being sold as Real Wensleydale is a poor quality substitute for the genuine article. There is nothing to stop that dairy making good quality cheese, why they want to sell it I can't imagine, it doesn't resemble Wensleydale at all. You are not allowed to sella fake Rolex, why should you be allowed to sell cheese made with vegetarian rennet and call it Wensleydale? You certainly can't sell cheese made with vegetarian rennet and call it Parmesan.--Damorbel (talk) 21:10, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Keith D Nothing to do with neutral point of viewat all, This article is publicity for Real Wensleydale Cheese which is lining itself up for legal protection using ersatz ingredients. The by doing this the company doing this is marketing a fake product, there is nothing to stop them selling genuine Wensleydale cheese but they are trying to gain protection for a fake. As for original research, putting ersatz rennet in their cheese is in the publicity through and through.
It would be most intersting to know why they make this stuff, I suspect it has a longer shelf life, judging by the way supermarkets are pushing it.--Damorbel (talk) 07:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
This article promotes Real Wensleydale cheese, a product of a company called "the Wensleydale Creamery" in Hawes. This company makes cheese only with a substitute for animal rennet to make it "Suitable for vegetarians".
Best of luck to the Wensleydale Creamery in its efforts to sell this none traditional kind of cheese but it is misleading to call it "real" in the sense that it has a tradition behind it. Being made with a rennet substitute ensures that has nothing to do with the qualities that gave Wensleydale cheese it reputation.
Every effort is being made with lots of publicity to sell the products of this company, best of luck to them but it is an inferior product and it will eventually lose its reputation when people find a better. But as it stands it is misleading.
At this link About Us you will see that they claim a traditional recipe, but cheese was made in Wensleydale long before the attempts were made to find a substitute see here Rennet This link How its made explains about the addition of rennet at stge 3, without saying what rennet is used; however many of their cheeses are described as Catalogue suitable for vegetarians, in fact I enquired if they made any other kind and they said no.
This article is not about Wensleydale cheese, it is only a publicity puff for the Wensleydale Creamery in Hawes. Putting stuff like this in Wikipedia it is quite contrary to policy, it is a plain attempt to corrupt Wikipedia in the same way as the company is trying to profit using the name of a fine cheese --Damorbel (talk) 08:27, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't see why the article can't mention the Cheese Shop Sketch, where the proprieter is actually named Mr. Wensleydale, but does mention Walllace and Gromit, where the moon is supposed to be possibly made out of Wensleydale cheese.Mtsmallwood (talk) 20:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
From day one of this article, this line has been in the history section:
"Wensleydale cheese was first made by French Cistercian monks from the Roquefort region, who had settled in Wensleydale. They built a monastery at Fors, but some years later the monks moved to Jervaulx in Lower Wensleydale."
Yet, the wiki article on Jervaulx Abbey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jervaulx_Abbey says that the monks who established the monastery at Fors were Cistercians from Savigny Abbey in France -- Savigny Abbey is in Normandy, Northern France. Roquefort is in southern France. Is the Roquefort connection just "marketing" or other "bumpf" which snuck in at the beginning and has been unquestioned since?
Randal Oulton (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I have made a small number of revisions to the article to reduce the intensity of the 'commercial publicity' content of the text. --Damorbel (talk) 07:17, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
(Moved here from user talk pages) Staszek Lem (talk) 17:25, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I am sorry about your reversal of my contribution, would you care to explain why you did it? As the article stands it is merely publicity for a poor quality cheese, Wikipedia does not allow publicity for any product; it would be a shame to lose the entire article to this rule. --Damorbel (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
You din't explain what exactly part you are talking about, but I am guessing that it is about the piece which said "there is a major producer in Hawes of (mostly) vegetarian cheeses that claim to be traditional Wensleydale cheeses. There is no evidence ...". In wikipedia all statement must be referenced from reliable sources. The deleted piece has no references. Further, it does not say who is this "a major producer". BTW, "vegetarian cheese" sounds weird to me: cheese is made of milk, isn't it? I.e., it is an animal product. Further, you wrote "merely publicity for a poor quality cheese, Wikipedia does not allow publicity for any product" I am afraid you are confused here. Wikipedia articles contain information about everything regardless quality, as long as there is enough verifiable information. Wikipedia does have a rule which disallow advertising style of text: the article text must be written in neutral tone, from neutral point of view, as explained in its guidelines WP:NPOV, WP:PEACOCK Staszek Lem (talk) 00:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I think that we should consider saying it's type of cheese at the begining. It's not any cheese that just happens to be made in Wensleydale. You could make some chedder in Wensleydale and it wouldn't be Wensleydale, it be chedder.
I know there's this regional 'where it comes from' thing, which apparently the French are very keen on. However, I don't think it's critical for English cheeses. Dannman (talk) 10:48, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Wensleydale cheese/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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Why is there mention of Wensleydale Creamery at all, let alone A Section (?). What relevance, other than they happen to make cheese, is any of the information. Is it actually notable in some way? I'd like to delete it.
Dannman (talk) 11:08, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
This section focuses entirely on a single creamery based on the type of Wensleydale it produces which would be more acceptable if the article was only about Yorkshire Wensleydale, but as it covers the cheese in general its inclusion here appears to give it undue prominence. It also produces numerous cheeses in addition to Wensleydale, information about which would be valuable in a separate article but is not relevant here. Rather than deleting much of the section I suggest that it be split off into a new creamery article and that the cheese article retain only the information on the PGI status as part of the history. EdwardUK (talk) 15:00, 9 July 2020 (UTC)