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I would like to suggest that the United Kingdom may be considered somewhat of a theocracy, if not historically a theocracy, if with a parliament, the head of state was the head of church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.165.105.11 (talk) 09:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Do reliable sources describe the UK as a theocracy?
I think good sources are really needed to call any particular nation a theocracy, especially a nation that doesn't describe itself as fundamentally religiously based, especially since the term has become somewhat POV and more broadly applied than originally meant.
There's an (IMO) slightly problematic issue here in that some (many?) modern writers have expanded the term theocracy to cover situations where religion is imposed but the civil power, generally a monarch, has control over the religious authority (like the Imperial Cult of the pre-Christian Roman Empire, or other deified monarchs mentioned in the article; or the Byzantine Empire's religious policy).
Theocracy, as originally meant, referred to the opposite situation where the civil power was subordinate to religious power or divine law.
This modern broader use is, I'd say, inherently somewhat POV as it's generally applied only to systems that the speaker/writer finds oppressive, undemocratic, or whatever. Therefore it's not generally applied to modern European setups with an established church like the UK/Church of England or Denmark/Church of Denmark. The practical difference is presumably that the latter states don't impose religion on their inhabitants and the lawmaking is not in practice primarily religiously driven?
By that broader modern definition maybe you could call England in say Tudor times when religious dissenters were actively persecuted "theocratic" - but certainly not the United Kingdom as it exists now or in recent times. But even then I don't think it's usually called that (it's called a monarchy and sometimes an absolute/absolutist monarchy, for that era).Vultur~enwiki (talk) 23:04, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
I agree. At the period where religious persecution occurred (which I think was mostly Kingdom of England rather than the UK as such) it was more a caesaropapist kingdom (King/State control over the Church) rather than a theocracy (religious control over the state). During the Tudor and Stuart era religious policy changed with the monarch. Royal Supremacy over the church was Henry VIII's whole push. Vultur~enwiki (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
Israel is not a Theocracy. It’s leaders are democratically elected and can be of any faith. Israel falls under the category of states with an established religion. By misrepresenting Israel as a Theocracy; when not doing same for other states that have an established religion, the authors and re-instaters of this text are knowingly breaching the IHRA definition of antisemitism, which is a form of racism. Montie12 (talk) 22:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
I do not know (or care) about the antisemetic angle, but Israel is a state for the Jewish people, not Jews the religion. That is clear as the states accepts as immigrants ethnic Jews even if they are of a different religion - many Christians of Jewish decent have immigrated from the former Soviet Union for example. Furthermore, no deity is recognized as a supreme ruling authority in Israel, thereby completely eliminating the single criterion for being a theocracy given in the page. Israel is no more theocratic than any nation that has Christmas as a national holiday and should be removed from this list. If no counter argument is given, I'll happily correct the list and remove Israel from it. Dotancohen (talk) 22:01, 30 June 2023 (UTC)